Fleece Turbo Brake / AllyLocker

paint94979

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is brayden not fixing this for you nick?

he wants me to try this... I have a V1 not V2 i assume the analog signals are still able to b picked up

This is the best way to figure this out..... And bear with me, it's not as difficult as it may seem.

The EFILive inputs are displayed below.

Attach some jumper wires to the AlliLocker harness in the cab of the vehicle. You'll need to attach to the MAP Input, and TPS input wires. Those can then be connected to AD1, and AD2 respectively.

Now go out and log your truck with the AlliLocker performance mode enabled.

Your pid file should include AD1 and AD2 and map sensor voltage. You'll know if you have the correct map sensor connection if your map voltage from the ecm and map voltage interpreted from the EFILive A/D converter are within 50-100 mV or so. I have seen much better accuracy.


If you'd like you can also put a light or LED on the TCC out wire to visually see if the signal is being sent. (You'll supply power to the LED or light and the Allilocker will provide the ground when the TCC is being commanded.)

Email me your log and post it up as well and we'll go over the data publicly if you don't mind. It's good tech for the site!

Thanks,

Brayden
 

S Phinney

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Have you plugged a cable up to yours yet? I looked at mine, and it didn't look like I would be able to plug up to it without modifying either the cable or the board. The jack is set flat down on the board and back from the edge a little, and the connection on most cords have some plastic molding around the connection that would keep it from being able to be inserted into the jack.

Just take a razor blade and cut back the plastic on the Usb amd it will slide in and work. The only problem I saw is that the info is not user friendly. Its not in layman figures. You will need to talk to Brayden to understand the figures.
 

Brayden

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i wish i could program the box to lock based on a single parameter as opposed to 3... say it locks once 100% throttle is reached since it isn't possible to lock it first it would lock right when it hits 2nd? chances are i will be forced to install a co-pilot which sucks.



I still think you've got an issue. You never did perform the diagnostics that I told you to. I can't help you when you won't get the multimeter out and show me some hard data...
 

Brayden

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That's why a refund policy exists, if it doesn't work fix it, if you can't fix it then refund my money............:eek:

Hope you get it all figured out, BTW, you are not the only one with troubles with it.............;)



Makes sense to me, but I sent another module, and he has the same issue. It's not the module, it has to be something with the install. I can't hook a multimeter up to it from here and if you won't go through the proper steps with me then I can't be much help..

But thanks for you insight ;)
 

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There you have it Nick. Follow the man's instructions at least to test it and see where that takes you.

What about the rest of the folks that have posted issues? Did they get fixed?
 

GMC_2002_Dmax

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Makes sense to me, but I sent another module, and he has the same issue. It's not the module, it has to be something with the install. I can't hook a multimeter up to it from here and if you won't go through the proper steps with me then I can't be much help..

But thanks for you insight ;)

Your welcome, always happy to lend a hand.

I would suggest that paint sends his suspect module to a member that has a working one and see if it works on another truck.

Maybe a member is close by that would offer to "try" the module and see if it works or doesn't.

I usually like to troubleshoot knowing I have a working part and swap it with a suspect part if that would rule out the part and not the install.

:D
 

wkinsley04

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I've had the the newer version of the allylocker installed for a little over a month now. i only tried it out when i first installed it and it seemed to be functioning properly. it doesn't matter if i'm in 2wd or 4wd if i go WOT without the box turned on the converter will not lock until 4th gear. i've only tried the allylocker in 2wd and it seemed to work, but i didn't log it so i don't know for sure. if the roads ever dry up around here i will log it with the box on and with it off.
 

duratothemax

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brayden why does he need to log the stuff with the analog direct inputs? Cant he just log it over the databus...? I know its not "as fast" but I would think its plenty fast enough to diagnose the problem?
 

paint94979

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I've had the the newer version of the allylocker installed for a little over a month now. i only tried it out when i first installed it and it seemed to be functioning properly. it doesn't matter if i'm in 2wd or 4wd if i go WOT without the box turned on the converter will not lock until 4th gear. i've only tried the allylocker in 2wd and it seemed to work, but i didn't log it so i don't know for sure. if the roads ever dry up around here i will log it with the box on and with it off.

just to clarify how do you know it "worked"?... in 2wd at WOT from a dead stop my tires just spin.... a log is really the only way to know for sure
 
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Brayden

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Don't go mucking it up in here BEN.. I posted my diagnostic procedure for a reason!

He said he didn't have access to a multimeter. It just so happens that EFILive gave us a 4 channel multimeter in the V2, so that's why I want him to do it that way.

When the TPS hits x voltage and the map hits x voltage and the rpms hit xxxx I can see all the points cross in EFILive.. All that data on the same screen is valuable.

I want the wires tapped into the AlliLocker module so I can ensure that the proper signals are reaching the AlliLocker, where datalogging won't prove this for me.
 

duratothemax

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Don't go mucking it up in here BEN.. I posted my diagnostic procedure for a reason!

He said he didn't have access to a multimeter. It just so happens that EFILive gave us a 4 channel multimeter in the V2, so that's why I want him to do it that way.

When the TPS hits x voltage and the map hits x voltage and the rpms hit xxxx I can see all the points cross in EFILive.. All that data on the same screen is valuable.

I want the wires tapped into the AlliLocker module so I can ensure that the proper signals are reaching the AlliLocker, where datalogging won't prove this for me.

ahh no brayden I didnt mean to :stirthepot: with that comment, I was just curious, thats all. :)

Makes sense now.
 

paint94979

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Don't go mucking it up in here BEN.. I posted my diagnostic procedure for a reason!

He said he didn't have access to a multimeter. It just so happens that EFILive gave us a 4 channel multimeter in the V2, so that's why I want him to do it that way.

When the TPS hits x voltage and the map hits x voltage and the rpms hit xxxx I can see all the points cross in EFILive.. All that data on the same screen is valuable.

I want the wires tapped into the AlliLocker module so I can ensure that the proper signals are reaching the AlliLocker, where datalogging won't prove this for me.

i have already checked this with a multimeter... i had the voltages written down but the TPS, and MAP all go up in volts as throttle increases i know its getting a proper signal from the TPS, MAP... however since the TCC is on duty cycle i cannot read it properly with a multimeter HOWEVER i saw .02v's on the multimeter and .03-.04 when TCC was locked at part throttle over all the previously determined values (Boost, Speed, and 100% throttle.) that is why the guy at your shop sent me out a new box because we verified i am getting all the proper signals

also with the new box the boost LED's don't turn all the way off? the first box if i turned the dial all the way to the right no Bar LED's were on just wondering what that means?
 
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Brayden

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The speed input can be checked using a multimeter that shows frequency. I guess the easiest way is to shave down a USB cable to fit on the board. I'll send you the GUI to be able to talk to the board and then I can see the input parameters that are being input to the board.

Find a cable, or I'll send one and I'll email the software.

Brayden
 

paint94979

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The speed input can be checked using a multimeter that shows frequency. I guess the easiest way is to shave down a USB cable to fit on the board. I'll send you the GUI to be able to talk to the board and then I can see the input parameters that are being input to the board.

Find a cable, or I'll send one and I'll email the software.

Brayden

i do have a cable
 

wkinsley04

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just to clarify how do you know it "worked"?... in 2wd at WOT from a dead stop my tires just spin.... a log is really the only way to know for sure

Like i said, i don't know for sure. I do know the truck feels different with the box turned on. If the roads are dry here tomorrow i will log it. I want to know if it is working properly, this thread has put some doubt in my mind as to wether it is working or not
 

paint94979

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i am wondering why the dual LED was revised for the single LED to not actively display when lockup occurs?
 

Brayden

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First version of the TurboBrake had a dual color LED. The second version didn't allow for a bi-color LED in a membrane front panel so we took what we could get. I wanted the feature but it wasn't available.