Are things ever going to get better?
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Tony, i have a few things to say, havent you said that other tuners are driving the cost of tunes down? In sence is that the same, that non-union workers are driving the wages down? Maybe i misunderstood, and im sorry.
Yes, im for unions because im union, i get a great wage/benifit package/ retirement because of it, so if i wasnt union, i would definately wish i was. Thyssen Krupp Elevator (who i work for) made record profits last year. If unions are ruining this country, then how is it only for some, but not others? I do beleive that not all unions are created equal, nor are there motives, and maybe its totally different on the construction side. We (and most constructions unions) have no seniority, so theres nothing to protect a crappy worker, and that is a good thing i agree. We are also pushed harder and harder every year to turn out work faster, just as everyone else is. We require 4 years of training/schooling, non-union requires none. That means, they can have YOUR lives in their hands whenever they feel confident about themselves, imo that is bad. Very bad, but soon will hopefully get better due to a new law getting ready to be passed that requires you to hold a license. Same as aircraft mechanics, i went to school to get my a&p license, the unions have nothing to do with the airlines downfall, non-union airlines arent doing any better.
Yeah, your right, i dont run my own business, so maybe i cant say, maybe all trades shouldnt be created equal. Thats the reason their arent many non-union elevator companys, it requires to much skill, and too much liability, thus im for unions, and always will be. You like weekends? Thank the Unions.
These companies made money hand over fist for years, but all of a sudden the unions have caused them to not do so anymore? I dont buy it.
As far as retirements and pensions go, i think everyone should have them, and any employer not willing to offer them or benefits to the employees is a greedy one.
You also brought up efficiency, show me a major job in the US that is being ran without union force on it. Theres not, not cause its not allowed, but because it will fail. All the major construction jobs in the USA are union because we all work together to put out quality work efficiently. Ive been on the little jobs, that half the workers dont speak English, their a joke, everything is half assed, and you constantly have to watch out for yourself do to stupidity and carelessness. Id rather be around a group of trained employees. Safety is also a good side to union. Look at the safety rules to a nonunion company compared to a union.
You have your view, and i have mine, and NO unions did not destroy gm, chrysler, ford or any airline, thats just another bs excuse for the business owners/ceos/upper management who would like to pay their employess next to nothing, so they can pocket more during bad times.
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You have your view, and i have mine, and NO unions did not destroy gm, chrysler, ford or any airline, thats just another bs excuse for the business owners/ceos/upper management who would like to pay their employess next to nothing, so they can pocket more during bad times.[/QUOTE]
yes they did. your right everyone has their own opinion, but there is no reason why some dumbass women is getting paid 55 dollars an hour to put on lug nuts for gm. unions and their tremendous wages and benefits are the reason why the vehicles cost so dang much and people cant afford them, hence nobody buying them. i think eveyone should be able to make a good living but damn, 55 dollars is what it ends up being for the person installing lug nuts on a assembly line for gm. thats absurd no matter how you look at it.
yes they did. your right everyone has their own opinion, but there is no reason why some dumbass women is getting paid 55 dollars an hour to put on lug nuts for gm. unions and their tremendous wages and benefits are the reason why the vehicles cost so dang much and people cant afford them, hence nobody buying them. i think eveyone should be able to make a good living but damn, 55 dollars is what it ends up being for the person installing lug nuts on a assembly line for gm. thats absurd no matter how you look at it.
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GMC_2002_Dmax
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Hey things are getting better.
THANK YOU MASSACHUSETTS VOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb:
THANK YOU MASSACHUSETTS VOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumb:
yes they did. your right everyone has their own opinion, but there is no reason why some dumbass women is getting paid 55 dollars an hour to put on lug nuts for gm. unions and their tremendous wages and benefits are the reason why the vehicles cost so dang much and people cant afford them, hence nobody buying them. i think eveyone should be able to make a good living but damn, 55 dollars is what it ends up being for the person installing lug nuts on a assembly line for gm. thats absurd no matter how you look at it.[/QUOTE]
You must be talking retirement and benifits package too. When it comes to actual wages, toyotas assembly line workers make more than gms. I believe its like 60 cents more, and id bet once you add their retirement/benifits package their in that ball park too.
You must be talking retirement and benifits package too. When it comes to actual wages, toyotas assembly line workers make more than gms. I believe its like 60 cents more, and id bet once you add their retirement/benifits package their in that ball park too.
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Toyota has a good retirement pakage/wage too. But when was the first person to retire from Toyota in the USA? 90s? When was the first person to retire from Gm here in the states? 50s? Amount of people from retired from both? I dont know, but id say gm outnumbers them 100to1 here in the states.
As for the bidding process being rigged, that sounds like a consperiecy to me.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
There are MAJOR airlines that are NONUNION, guess what! Theyre not doing any better than Union ones. So what about the non union aircraft mechanics who are laid off? What do we ask them?
Ill repeat this once again since you didnt answer it, Thyssen Krupp Elevator made record profits last year, trampling and close non union elevator companys profits. Seems to me that if Unions are killing this country, that something like this couldnt happen. Seems to me Unions are doing good for Thyssen Krupp, and other BIG companys.
On another note, every union ran job ive been on, first thing we do is take a piss test, even if we go to a different job for JE Dunn/Turner/Kewitt every month, it doesnt matter, we drop piss before we walk on, and go over safety training, and a few of them even do randoms, if you dont pass, theres no "protection" that is offered, like you guys keep talking about with unions. Guess what we do for the Non union jobs?? Nothing, no drug test, no safety training, no safety people on the job, to make sure others arent putting everyone elses lives in danger.
My UNION company buys me a couple grand worth of safety equipment, harness, hardhat, safetly glasses, gloves, lifelines, ropegrabs. Guess what the non union side buys their employees? A hardhat, the rest their on their own to buy it, or just not be safe.
Union Elevator constructor wage here in Kansas City, 39 and some change an hour, + benifits, retirement, and annuity.
Non Union Elevator mechanic wage in KC 12-25 an hour, benifits...What are those?
From those list of facts right there, its a hard choice, but i think ill stay organized.:thumb:
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GMC_2002_Dmax
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You ever have to strike ?? You ever been told to slow down your working too fast, you ever been told by your Union who you need to vote for, We have a Union State Road Crew in CT, the joke is what it Big, Orange, and sleeps six...........A state road truck............:rofl:
Ever go to a Motor Vehicle, ever go to a State Office, ever go anywhere that is run by a Union, the people are rude, lazy and seriously arrogant for the most part. Want to know why, because it's so hard to get rid of them because of the Union.
Yeah toyota is non union, push it out and worry about quality later. The last big recall program was there trucks rotting apart and company buying back because they're unsafe. And now very soon. a 4 "MILLION" car recall due to faulty accererators. Dealer in my area is puttin an addition with 8 new bays to keep up. I know this because I know the service mngr and applied for a job.
ever notice a non union construction site? seems to be mostly illegals working for peanuts, and the contractor filling his pockets. Or crane and scaffold accidents that hurt or kill people.
I have some friends that work for Toyota at a west coast parts distribution center. They make $27 to pull small parts from a shelf and put them in boxes. I love my friends, but I think they are overpaid for that. Funny part is they think so too. All the other area warehousing pays $15-$20 max. Yes Toyota is really good at the "lets not let anyone know we are having problems game".
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