Weight Lifting/Body Building/Strong Man/Training thread

[02CCSB]

Holy shit I missed a lot putting that trans back in that Dodge...

I'm sorry and not sorry, but I'm still going to disagree. Are you an endocrinologist?Genetics & metabolism play a role regardless of calories consumed. My genetics are absolutely terrible. I have to train hard & eat very correctly to maintain what I have. Versus my wife has incredible genetics & can drop fat & gain muscle with very little tweaking.

Even if I upped my carb intake to 500g/day (even though glycogen stores are already really good and I do this regularly as part of carb cycling anyway) and if my protein is at/near 300g day with near single digit body fat, the only gains I'm going to make are going to be fat, as the body will eventually store all excess calories as fat whether they are carbs, proteins or fat.

My greatest portion of re-comping took place in my mid 30s and actually in the last 3 years thanks to a "reverse diet" type of meal plan that ramped up my metabolism.

Granted, I'm at my optimal weight/looks in the 185-195lb range with my frame. I have narrow hips & small wrists. Even if I wanted to get ridiculously huge, all I would end up doing is hurting myself in one way or another. And at 38 years old, raising 2 kids & running a business, that's a risk I'm just not willing to take.

 

[cstephens93]

Holy shit I missed a lot putting that trans back in that Dodge...

I'm sorry and not sorry, but I'm still going to disagree. Are you an endocrinologist?Genetics & metabolism play a role regardless of calories consumed. My genetics are absolutely terrible. I have to train hard & eat very correctly to maintain what I have. Versus my wife has incredible genetics & can drop fat & gain muscle with very little tweaking.

Even if I upped my carb intake to 500g/day (even though glycogen stores are already really good and I do this regularly as part of carb cycling anyway) and if my protein is at/near 300g day with near single digit body fat, the only gains I'm going to make are going to be fat, as the body will eventually store all excess calories as fat whether they are carbs, proteins or fat.

My greatest portion of re-comping took place in my mid 30s and actually in the last 3 years thanks to a "reverse diet" type of meal plan that ramped up my metabolism.

Granted, I'm at my optimal weight/looks in the 185-195lb range with my frame. I have narrow hips & small wrists. Even if I wanted to get ridiculously huge, all I would end up doing is hurting myself in one way or another. And at 38 years old, raising 2 kids & running a business, that's a risk I'm just not willing to take.

You probably expended quite a bit of energy putting that tranny back in


I do agree that genetics and metabolism play a role, but that does not go against the law of thermodynamics. Energy cannot be created created nor destroyed, it has to be accounted for in some fashion.

I dont even know what we are debating about anymore, but regardless of what anecdotal evidence you say you have from personal experience, overall caloric intake is what it comes down to for a given individual, whether it be from carbs or fat or protein. Like I said, genetics and metabolism do play a role in BMR and total daily energy requirements, but that doesnt mean people are special and consume carbs and instantly store them as fat (unless they are constantly under certain situations like maxed out glycogen stores or their fat intake is excessively above maintenance)

Unless you are on gear, 300g of protein is likely not needed. You could drop that number and add carbs or fat elsewhere...balancing out the energy equation.

 

[02CCSB]

You probably expended quite a bit of energy putting that tranny back in


I do agree that genetics and metabolism play a role, but that does not go against the law of thermodynamics. Energy cannot be created created nor destroyed, it has to be accounted for in some fashion.

I dont even know what we are debating about anymore, but regardless of what anecdotal evidence you say you have from personal experience, overall caloric intake is what it comes down to for a given individual, whether it be from carbs or fat or protein. Like I said, genetics and metabolism do play a role in BMR and total daily energy requirements, but that doesnt mean people are special and consume carbs and instantly store them as fat (unless they are constantly under certain situations like maxed out glycogen stores or their fat intake is excessively above maintenance)

Unless you are on gear, 300g of protein is likely not needed. You could drop that number and add carbs or fat elsewhere...balancing out the energy equation.

But again, adding carbs and/or fat, in my 18 years of anecdotal evidenced experience playing this game, serves only to add unnecessary fat to my frame.

 

[cstephens93]

But again, adding carbs and/or fat, in my 18 years of anecdotal evidenced experience playing this game, serves only to add unnecessary fat to my frame.

Adding carbs/fat = adding calories

Of course you will gain weight if you are already eating in a surplus or maintenance.

Adding cals from protein will still contribute to weight gain if you are already eating sufficient carbs and fat.

Protein requirements go down as calories from carbs and fat are increased, and vice versa if the goal is LBM retention

 

[02CCSB]

You clearly know everything about everything & everyone as it relates to this subject. Its just that simple right? Calories increased = weight gain. Calories reduced = weight loss. The type of calories is irrelevant? Because that's where you're going with this.

As you said "theres no such thing as a hardgainer" give me a break. Next you're gonna tell me that if my diet was 3400 calories of pure protein it wouldn't matter if I switched it to pure sugar because the calories are the same. Maybe ones comp would change but their weight would remain the same.

Simply increasing or reducing calories will not result in weight increase or loss in the forum which we are discussing here. We aren't talking fat ass joe 6 pack on a couch, we were talking WolfLLYs apparent hardgainer status which you are dismissing.

I've played the weight loss/gain yoyo for 18 years. I started I was a 19yo fatass 232lb zero muscle mass sack of crap. I've been as low as 170lbs and am currently 186 upon waking up in the morning. I've battled through years worth of injuries from rugby, muay thai & jiu jitsu including a complete ACL/MCL reconstruction.

I will go on the record right now and flat out say that it is not as simple as cals in vs cals out and energy expended, it's HOW that energy is expended that makes the difference. As stated, I do practically zero cardio, however, my style of relatively high rep weight training does generate an increase in heart rate into the 120-130 range.

I hate posting selfies on forums like this for a lot of reasons. But this photo is about a 2 weeks old at 183lbs. Please go ahead and tell me I know nothing about your laws of energy.

I noticed you didn't answer when I asked if you were an endocrinologist...so please tell me Mr Expert, what exactly are your credentials on this subject? Certified personal trainer? Dietitian? IFBB Pro?

 

[cstephens93]

You clearly know everything about everything & everyone as it relates to this subject. Its just that simple right? Calories increased = weight gain. Calories reduced = weight loss. The type of calories is irrelevant? Because that's where you're going with this.

Calories are units of measuring energy, so yes, total caloric intake is the first priority when it comes to weight gain or loss, not necessarily LBM gain or loss. So dont make the assumption that I think I know everything, I just know that studies have proved energy balance is the most important factor

As you said "theres no such thing as a hardgainer" give me a break. Next you're gonna tell me that if my diet was 3400 calories of pure protein it wouldn't matter if I switched it to pure sugar because the calories are the same. Maybe ones comp would change but their weight would remain the same.
I'm saying people are too quick to call themselves a hardgainer when they really just dont eat enough. I'm not saying 3400 cals of sugar is going to have the same effect as 3400 cals of protein. Body comp would change, I am agreeing with you

Simply increasing or reducing calories will not result in weight increase or loss in the forum which we are discussing here. We aren't talking fat ass joe 6 pack on a couch, we were talking WolfLLYs apparent hardgainer status which you are dismissing.
Im not dismissing his "status", Im saying he's not gaining weight because he's not consuming enough kcals. I told him I wasnt trying to be rude

I've played the weight loss/gain yoyo for 18 years. I started I was a 19yo fatass 232lb zero muscle mass sack of crap. I've been as low as 170lbs and am currently 186 upon waking up in the morning. I've battled through years worth of injuries from rugby, muay thai & jiu jitsu including a complete ACL/MCL reconstruction.
Congratulations

I will go on the record right now and flat out say that it is not as simple as cals in vs cals out and energy expended, it's HOW that energy is expended that makes the difference. As stated, I do practically zero cardio, however, my style of relatively high rep weight training does generate an increase in heart rate into the 120-130 range.
Okay....who cares if you do zero cardio, your energy output is high enough through other daily activities. Weight training is superior to LBM development and maintenance than cardio, I'm not arguing that, but youre still expending cals

I hate posting selfies on forums like this for a lot of reasons. But this photo is about a 2 weeks old at 183lbs. Please go ahead and tell me I know nothing about your laws of energy.


I noticed you didn't answer when I asked if you were an endocrinologist...so please tell me Mr Expert, what exactly are your credentials on this subject? Certified personal trainer? Dietitian? IFBB Pro?

I'm not an endocrinologist nor a certified personal trainer, and I didnt say I was. I dont have any credentials, but I do spend large amounts of time discussing nutrition with people such as Lyle McDonald and Alan Aragon, who hold way more value on the subject than any IFBB pro or day to day bro scientist


Also a selfie doesnt prove shit, Ben Pakluski may be an IFBB pro, but he is dumb as **** when it comes to nutrition and the amount of drugs he uses makes up for it

 

[02CCSB]

What?! HAHAHAHA. I'm done with this thread.

Yeah, Ben Pakulski, trained by Human Performance Lab at University of Tampa, knows nothing and is all drugs, but your two guys, who by the way, I have never heard of and who have a grand total of zzzzzzzzzzero IFBB pros training under them are experts.

Do you even ****ing lift?

Whatever. I'm out.

 

[Burn Down]

Bahahhahahahahah! This is the best thread ever:thumb: Winning

Some of you guys will argue over the color of sh*t:rofl:

 

[02CCSB]

Well really when some child comes on talking like an expert it's a little irritating.

A little bit of googling and I found this kids instagram & facebook. I can't stand guys that give diet and training advice when they haven't accomplished anything themselves and then to talk shit about a top 10 olympia competitor? Come on.

 

[cstephens93]

Well really when some child comes on talking like an expert it's a little irritating.

A little bit of googling and I found this kids instagram & facebook. I can't stand guys that give diet and training advice when they haven't accomplished anything themselves and then to talk shit about a top 10 olympia competitor? Come on.

Lol wow. I'm the childish one?

Youre the one being hostile

 

[Burn Down]

Well really when some child comes on talking like an expert it's a little irritating.

A little bit of googling and I found this kids instagram & facebook. I can't stand guys that give diet and training advice when they haven't accomplished anything themselves and then to talk shit about a top 10 olympia competitor? Come on.

I can see both sides... One thing I have learned is everybody is different and respond to things differently. Doesn't matter if it's diet, training or whatever.
You just have to learn what your body responds best to:thumb:

I stay out of the diet discussions and what not as you, wolf and couple others are way prettier than my ugly old fat ass:hug:

 

[02CCSB]

I am being hostile because you think having read some crap on the Internet you're an expert. You have no real life experience. Diet and train for another 5 years then come back and tell me a calorie is a calorie.

 

[WolfLMM]

I can see both sides... One thing I have learned is everybody is different and respond to things differently. Doesn't matter if it's diet, training or whatever.
You just have to learn what your body responds best to:thumb:

I stay out of the diet discussions and what not as you, wolf and couple others are way prettier than my ugly old fat ass:hug:

Aww Albert, shucks I'm blushing

Nohomo

 

[02CCSB]

I can see both sides... One thing I have learned is everybody is different and respond to things differently. Doesn't matter if it's diet, training or whatever.
You just have to learn what your body responds best to:thumb:

I stay out of the diet discussions and what not as you, wolf and couple others are way prettier than my ugly old fat ass:hug:

That's what I am saying, but junior there wants to break it down to calories are calories when it's not that simple. Sugars triggering insulin for example. Styles of training and becoming catabolic. At its bare raw form, calorie vs calorie may apply but in this application there is a lot more at play. I would definitely consider myself a hard gainer.

 

[Burn Down]

Aww Albert, shucks I'm blushing

Nohomo

:hug:

 

[WolfLMM]

On another note, 02ccsb you look thicker in that pic vs the other one a few weeks ago. Nice work man.


My plan is to stay reasonably lean 15%ish and build up then cut down to a physique similar. I don't have a lot of time on my side so I'll have to squeeze in a few more test cycles to speed it up some.

 

[cstephens93]

That's what I am saying, but junior there wants to break it down to calories are calories when it's not that simple. Sugars triggering insulin for example. Styles of training and becoming catabolic. At its bare raw form, calorie vs calorie may apply but in this application there is a lot more at play. I would definitely consider myself a hard gainer.

Okay? Protein triggers an insulin response as well

I dont understand why you think I'm trying to be a know-it-all

I am all about having a discussion with you.

Using personal attacks against me does nothing to back up your arguments.

What do you suggest Wolf LLY do since he is having a hard time gaining weight?

 

[02CCSB]

Tren.

 

[cstephens93]

Tren.

That changes things

 

[lts1ow]

And I'm over here debating if I want another bowl of pulled pork, or just call it quits for today.