PPE vs .... General bitching about dual fuelers, etc.

[duratothemax]

The current manifolds in the market place had room for improvements.

Like where/what?

Garrett and PPE Co-designed the highest flowing cast manifolds to maximize airflow to their turbochargers for big power numbers and efficiency.

"co-designed" by Garrett AND PPE. Could you please go into a little more detail Dan?

These manifolds were designed from the ground up with Garrett's Proprietary air flow and heat cycling software by Garretts engineering team to optimize overall flow and reliably.

Oh wait, im confused...So now it was Garrett who designed them, not PPE? And PPE just relabels/resells them...like most everything else of years past... or did you mean to say "designed with garrett/PPE's air flow software", by "garrett and PPE's engineering team".

With the utilization of superior casting materials for extreme temps and pressure's (+300 degrees over any cast manifolds on the market today). PPE again brings performance to "next level".

Do you mean Garrett brings performance to the "next level".....?

:stirthepo:

 

[770JOHNNYW]

THATS SICK DUDE!!! EPIC!!!!!!!

No but in all seriousness. Id love to see some pics of the PPE shop assembling/designing/building all this crap in-house.

Ben

Hahahahaha. He's so full of shit he makes his truck smell like a turd! Oh yea...well you know the rest!

 

[Dan@PPE]

Also do you guys make the high pressure line in house? Just a question, but if all the parts are made in house, why are you guys so against selling pieces of the kit... or used to be anyways, like just the line, bracket, box ect... If the parts are made in house, they should all be readily availiable.

No we Don’t. The company we use for our NEW lines is the company that builds the OEM lines for GM, DODGE and FORD.

The reason it was so hard in the past to buy parts for our Dual fueler kits was PPE protecting our design. There was and still is far too many people that have copied or attempted to copy our kit (Hella fast, ect). However if you sent a defective part back or provided a detailed pic to show it was our kit, getting parts was not an issue.

 

[iPhattMatt]

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[Dan@PPE]

THATS SICK DUDE!!! EPIC!!!!!!!

No but in all seriousness. Id love to see some pics of the PPE shop assembling/designing/building all this crap in-house.

Ben

is there a specific part you would like to see us making? or are you gonna "start in" on us too?

 

[emiller3]

Ive also had problems with my dual fueler when it was first installed but the problem was resolved with the help of Dan.But on another note their lift pump didn't seem to do so well.

 

[Dan@PPE]

Like where/what?

Port flow, Material, design.


"co-designed" by Garrett AND PPE. Could you please go into a little more detail Dan?

How much clearer can I be?

Oh wait, im confused...So now it was Garrett who designed them, not PPE? And PPE just relabels/resells them...like most everything else of years past... or did you mean to say "designed with Garrett/PPE's air flow software", by "Garrett and PPE's engineering team".

You must be... Its Garrett’s software (they are the only manufacture in the world to possess it). The overall design is by both groups of engineers. We Cast the manifold here locally and we OWN the molds.


Do you mean Garrett brings performance to the "next level".....?

let me better explain... Without our contacts/relationship we have formed with Garrett, No one would have access to their proprietary software (it would only be used in house for Garrett/OEM designs, the aftermarket would NEVER have access to it). A little clearer now?
:stirthepo:

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[Dan@PPE]

Hahahahaha. He's so full of shit he makes his truck smell like a turd! Oh yea...well you know the rest!

Obviously I'm not full of shit.... Go look at the video I posted today under "Big single turbo/larger injectors=injector rattle".

Looks like I backed up EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. If you look at other peoples responses you will see that they too don’t have issues with injector rattle.. I guess your "setup" still need work....:thumb:


I'm down to Race my TURD against you RATTLE BOX any time.. Come on out here... I would even throw a little wager on it....:woott:

 

[770JOHNNYW]

Obviously I'm not full of shit.... Go look at the video I posted today under "Big single turbo/larger injectors=injector rattle".

Looks like I backed up EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. If you look at other peoples responses you will see that they too don’t have issues with injector rattle.. I guess your "setup" still need work....:thumb:


I'm down to Race my TURD against you RATTLE BOX any time.. Come on out here... I would even throw a little wager on it....:woott:

Deal! You bring a truck load of serp belts and ill smoke your ass as long as you can tug on my tensioner for me. Moron.

 

[Dan@PPE]

How about this.... I bring my truck to YOU and you can build me MIG weld me up a sweet set of twins??? I'm sure they run HARD!!!!

 

[juddski88]

I have to disagree with your comment about customer service, but that in MY opinon. We/I am here to help, if you would let us.

I'm am sorry you are 100% incorrect, I have PERSONALLY fixed a few tunes that had high rail pressure issues (not our tunes), for FREE! Just to Help the customer out. This was not our fault but the fault of the tune, So I offered my help for free... Guess what it fixed it! I and did not have to send out one part.

Again you are wrong! I help so many people per day its SICK. Most of the time its needing help with another manufactures product. But again it is all dependent upon the customers attitude.

By the way we tested that controller on a 3rd truck and it passed with flying colors. We even ran it on the dyno and varying throttle positions for over 1.5hrs... I guess you found you tune/install/connection issue, happy to hear it...:thumb:

The results were he switched to Dual CP3's....

No, the results were that he still runs the cp3.4 and also a lmm cp3. he did not throw the cp3.4 away. don't misguide people.


Just to remind you, helping people is what you get paid to do, unless PPE has absolutely no interest in customer service. I give you credit for what you've posted here today, it has been much more than you usually do. I don't give credit for false statements to boost your image or for statements made purely in the interest of not getting fired. If it's wrong, it's wrong. You sir, are wrong in saying that Dylan made any other changes to his PPE Dual Fueler on his 02 LB7 that suddenly made the 3rd box work. You were also incorrect when you told him that the lb7 and lly/lbz/lmm boxes are different. They are the same Part #, myself and 2 others checked. You don't explicitly define "make" - as in making your own kits in house, that is because you may package the kits in house, or box them up, or design pieces of them, but the entire manufacturing process of each part IS NOT DONE IN-HOUSE (you have already helped prove my point above):thumb:

Please take all of the criticism here positively and make the necessary changes to PPE's parts. If you do that, I know you have taken your job seriously - a job that dozens of serious diesel enthusiasts around the country would love to have because they would be passionate about it.

 

[02bigstrokin]

well since this thread has general bitching in it i figure i might as well.... hey can can explain why your ppe turbo pedestals dont fit worth a shit either? maybe you should walk out there in your shop where all these quality parts are being manufactured and tell the monkey thats boxing up the turbo pedestals to throw in about a 24" alignment tool in the box also. it will make installs much easier! or maybe you should call up garretts engineer team and tell them they need to work on making them fit to block a little better.

 

[02bigstrokin]

How about this.... I bring my truck to YOU and you can build me MIG weld me up a sweet set of twins??? I'm sure they run HARD!!!!

actually dickford, his twins are built nicely with a tig. and guess what...HE actually built them himself!!!! bet that sounds awfully odd to you doesnt it dan?

 

[Dan@PPE]

No, the results were that he still runs the cp3.4 and also a lmm cp3. he did not throw the cp3.4 away. don't misguide people.

When did I??? I said he switched to Dual cp3's... and he did!
Just to remind you, helping people is what you get paid to do, unless PPE has absolutely no interest in customer service. I give you credit for what you've posted here today, it has been much more than you usually do.

Thanks! There is a reason I don’t post much on here and this and a few others threads are PERFECT examples! I does not matter what I say or offer I am wrong, a lair, full of shit. Why would I WANT to deal with this???

I don't give credit for false statements to boost your image or for statements made purely in the interest of not getting fired LOL. If it's wrong, it's wrong. You sir, are wrong in saying that Dylan made any other changes to his PPE Dual Fueler on his 02 LB7 that suddenly made the 3rd box work.

Not sure what he did or did not do. All I KNOW is the BOX TESTED FINE ON 3 DIFFERNT TRUCKS! What else could I say? I did not install the kit or tune the truck, all I can do is offer my OPINION/FACTS

You were also incorrect when you told him that the lb7 and lly/lbz/lmm boxes are different. They are the same Part #, myself and 2 others checked.

I'm not sure where who you are calling or getting your FACTS from but you are 100% WRONG AGAIN! Yes the part number is the same (at this time) but go ahead and order a controller and see what questions are asked. One of them will be what year is your truck. The controllers are different and ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE as far as functionality.

You don't explicitly define "make" - as in making your own kits in house, that is because you may package the kits in house, or box them up, or design pieces of them, but the entire manufacturing process of each part IS NOT DONE IN-HOUSE (you have already helped prove my point above):thumb:

We designed and build the kits in house. Its our design and our tooling.

Please take all of the criticism here positively and make the necessary changes to PPE's parts. If you do that, I know you have taken your job seriously - a job that dozens of serious diesel enthusiasts around the country would love to have because they would be passionate about it.

I feel the same way! But the only way we can help is if the issue is brought to our attention and the CUSTOMER LETS US HELP THEM. :hello:

 

[juddski88]

I feel the same way! But the only way we can help is if the issue is brought to our attention and the CUSTOMER LETS US HELP THEM. :hello:

ok, awesome, so they are different boxes in functionality...so why did you test it on an LBZ truck? After all, it was an lb7 box, no?

 

[770JOHNNYW]

How about this.... I bring my truck to YOU and you can build me MIG weld me up a sweet set of twins??? I'm sure they run HARD!!!!

yea you bring that TURD down and ill show you how this shits supposed to look!

 

[616samuel]

I don't have any experience with dan or any other PPE staff. BUT i have read countless other threads on thedieselplace and here that dan's been more than helpful on, even if it wasn't a PPE product.

I'm sorry your having trouble with your duel's... it's a bummer, if you don't like a product they make then don't buy another... simple as that. If it's correct that you've had 3 years of beating on the PPE's duel fueler and its giving you some trouble, why not just buy a competitors kit now? imo you've gotten your moneys worth.

I just know when i buy my duel kit i'll still get it from ppe... from what i've heard their customer service is leaps and bounds over the other brands...

 

[dordtrecht5]

yea you bring that TURD down and ill show you how this shits supposed to look!

Easy there dude. They might like the functionality of your and decide to take the design and call it theirs. LMAO

(did I just say that?)


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[RickDLance]

The current manifolds in the market place had room for improvements.

Garrett and PPE Co-designed the highest flowing cast manifolds to maximize airflow to their turbochargers for big power numbers and efficiency. These manifolds were designed from the ground up with Garrett's Proprietary air flow and heat cycling software by Garretts engineering team to optimize overall flow and reliably. With the utilization of superior casting materials for extreme temps and pressure's (+300 degrees over any cast manifolds on the market today). PPE again brings performance to "next level".

You probably should have just left this one alone Dan.

Is it true you sent a set of mine for them to start with? That's not designed from the ground up.

You say they flow better? How much more horse power do they make? Hell if flow was all we needed maybe we shouldn't run anything at all?

Then you claim that they will hold up to more heat? Tell me Dan, how many of the 100 or so sets that I sold you failed from heat related issues???

As a matter of fact how many sets failed at all??


I'll answer that one for you. NONE!! Not even one. The all mighty dollar drove your decision.

Might be best to leave me out of your replies. I'm still a little sore from the way you treated me.

 

[Dan@PPE]

ok, awesome, so they are different boxes in functionality...so why did you test it on an LBZ truck? After all, it was an lb7 box, no?

Was this customers name Andrew B?