PPE vs .... General bitching about dual fuelers, etc.

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Dirtymaxx03

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TheBac said:
......I may not have dual CP3s, but I can tell you that my belt moves 1-2 ribs every run down the track. Its the first thing I check when I get back to the pits.
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i had to do the same thing till i got an OEM tensioner.
 
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TheBac said:
Your tensioner is weak. Ive done the "lose brakes/steering" at the end of the track due to a shredded belt on an old tensioner/idlers. IMO, even new tensioners can have springs too weak to hold the belts tight at higher rpms.
I may not have dual CP3s, but I can tell you that my belt moves 1-2 ribs every run down the track. Its the first thing I check when I get back to the pits.


....not that any of that can help you with the PPE issues, but I thought it may be of interest.
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I know when i was running a single cp3 if i ran an auto parts store belt it would jump off now and then, if i ran a GM belt, it always stayed, if you pull up the measurements, they are different. A gm belt will be tighter.
 
juddski88

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OEM tensioners may be tighter than the majority of aftermarket tensioners, but not one of them. The Dayco auto-adjusting tensioner is an expensive piece but it has solved the belt issues on a few trucks that I know of, one being Dylan's (you remember him right Dan?) before he even put on the junky Dual CP3 kit he had belt issues during hard acceleration. He went through oem tensioners, and aftermarket alike and couldn't solve it, he found this Dayco one and it has been great ever since. After running dual CP3's he still hasnt lost a belt yet, but we have had issues with the PPE kit as have some of our friends, and we have had words with Dan. I don't know who makes a better kit these days, all companies are making them cheaper and care less and less about each customer, but I have become a proponent of "if you want it done right, sometimes you gotta do it yourself."
 
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So it seems like adding a 2nd cp3 is kind of hit or miss as far as getting a good kit or not? Would it be more beneficial doing a single cp3 that is say 100% over or so? Or would you still fight the belt issues at higher rpms?
 
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Well ill be buying a PPE kit for my truck. wont be running over 3600rpm, have the original GM tentioner and idler with 165k and jsut have something against purple stuff on a black truck :D. guess we will see what happens. if the kit needs "massaging" or fixing i dont really care, knowing i have two stock pumps that will last a long time are what i care about. I jsut dont see the longevity of a big modded pump lasting the time frame id like
 
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juddski88 said:
OEM tensioners may be tighter than the majority of aftermarket tensioners, but not one of them. The Dayco auto-adjusting tensioner is an expensive piece but it has solved the belt issues on a few trucks that I know of, one being Dylan's (you remember him right Dan?) before he even put on the junky Dual CP3 kit he had belt issues during hard acceleration. He went through oem tensioners, and aftermarket alike and couldn't solve it, he found this Dayco one and it has been great ever since. After running dual CP3's he still hasnt lost a belt yet, but we have had issues with the PPE kit as have some of our friends, and we have had words with Dan. I don't know who makes a better kit these days, all companies are making them cheaper and care less and less about each customer, but I have become a proponent of "if you want it done right, sometimes you gotta do it yourself."
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Exactly! I want to know why something that costs 2k has to be "shimmed "get anyways. Are they just that damn lazy that they can't just make the bracket right to start with
 
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02bigstrokin said:
Exactly! I want to know why something that costs 2k has to be "shimmed "get anyways. Are they just that damn lazy that they can't just make the bracket right to start with
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They probably dont make the kits in the first place, do they? Remember, PPE is a reseller of a lot of other people's ideas and parts, just with PPE's name stamped on them.
 
juddski88

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TheBac said:
They probably dont make the kits in the first place, do they? Remember, PPE is a reseller of a lot of other people's ideas and parts, just with PPE's name stamped on them.
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that's only the beginning. Helpful tech support can only come from someone who understands every aspect of the vehicle and how the product works alone, then in conjunction with the vehicle as a whole. If someone was to suggest to you that the reason your Dual Fueler control box maxes out rail pressure, on its own, when plugged in, BECAUSE OF TUNING....would you believe him?
 
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I know ATS and PPE are the 2 main players in dual cp3's but Iv seen a duel cp3 and stock cp3 relocation kit made by motorsport diesel does anyone know anything about these?
 
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juddski88 said:
that's only the beginning. Helpful tech support can only come from someone who understands every aspect of the vehicle and how the product works alone, then in conjunction with the vehicle as a whole. If someone was to suggest to you that the reason your Dual Fueler control box maxes out rail pressure, on its own, when plugged in, BECAUSE OF TUNING....would you believe him?
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i guess its just word of mouth though juddski that all have had problems with these morons!
 
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juddski88 said:
I dont know anyone personally who runs one, but ill bet they are sweet. Too bad hellafast isn't still around.
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I don't know of one for sure, but a few months ago I had a very brief discussion with TNRGreene about a remote mounted, large single pump with an overdriven pulley. At that time he hadn't mounted it all up. IIRC he was going be trying a pump that was not an "aftermarket" special, it was some other bigger bodied pump. The name of it I can't recall. I know this doesn't resolve the issue at hand, just trying to answe your question Juddski.


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paint94979

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dordtrecht5 said:
I don't know of one for sure, but a few months ago I had a very brief discussion with TNRGreene about a remote mounted, large single pump with an overdriven pulley. At that time he hadn't mounted it all up. IIRC he was going be trying a pump that was not an "aftermarket" special, it was some other bigger bodied pump. The name of it I can't recall. I know this doesn't resolve the issue at hand, just trying to answe your question Juddski.


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It was a cp3.4 flows the same as my Wicked Diesel Stage 3 pump... He now runs dual pumps.
 
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madmatt said:
i'm not bitching,, i just want a call back :( out Friday, Monday, at lunch Wednesday and Thursday, left 2 messages, have a truck down i need to get going ASAP.
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Who are you trying to get a hold of? If its me I dont have ANY messages from a Matt. IF you need me call me as soon as you see this..

Dan
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