Gorilla Girdle

[Diesel power]

I went against the grain and did a external balance! it was smooth as silk by a highly recommended builder.

Its no different that anyone elses results same wear, same location.

NOW, if you tell me i did it wrong then your no different then Steve!
tell me what i could do different would be appreciated though.


I asked you 2 experts this before and was IMO polite and accepting but it gets old

Dont get me wrong, i have no issue with external ballance being used, because it does work, however it is not the "best" way to ballance a crank.

External ballance correction has to travel to one on the ends of the crank to get corrected, this causes more harmonics and more torsonal twist before correction.

Internal correction only has to travel to the next clsest bobweight for correction to occur, thus lowering the correction travel time, lowering harmonics created by less torsonal twist and length traveled, and you can put what internal ballance flywheel and ballancer parts on the crank which is much lighter.

 

[durallymax]

You still banned from Comp D over that thread? I was enjoying the read :rofl:

Linky?

 

[emiller3]

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107443

 

[McRat]

Wow. Just wow.

Cole has been running a 1600HP Dmax for 6 years now with no problems?

Perhaps they should rename that board CompostDiesel due to high fertilizer content?

 

[McRat]

BTW - Many of us on the West Coast have been to The Turbo Shop (TTS).

There are 3 employees including Cole, no serious machinery, no serious production capability, no inspection capability; think confused warehouse.

TTS rods appear to be just RSR rods, which are Crower clones. He cannot make anything like a connecting rod. He would have difficultly making a spice rack for Mother's Day there.

Last I heard, there was an abandoned race truck (TTS SEMA Queen Mark I) that lacks NHRA certs to race. Not sure if it still exists, but there was not facilities necessary to fab something like that, so it must have been a 1/2 finished project truck. It certainly doesn't have 1600HP or been running for 6 years.

 

[Diesel power]

BTW - Many of us on the West Coast have been to The Turbo Shop (TTS).

There are 3 employees including Cole, no serious machinery, no serious production capability, no inspection capability; think confused warehouse.

TTS rods appear to be just RSR rods, which are Crower clones. He cannot make anything like a connecting rod. He would have difficultly making a spice rack for Mother's Day there.

Last I heard, there was an abandoned race truck (TTS SEMA Queen Mark I) that lacks NHRA certs to race. Not sure if it still exists, but there was not facilities necessary to fab something like that, so it must have been a 1/2 finished project truck. It certainly doesn't have 1600HP or been running for 6 years.

:roflmao: :thumb:

 

[Diesel power]

Wow. Just wow.

Cole has been running a 1600HP Dmax for 6 years now with no problems?

Perhaps they should rename that board CompostDiesel due to high fertilizer content?

didnt that engine blow up just last year or so due to the main bearing clearance being all jacked up??? i remember subman and a few others posting about it, not sure if it was this forum or another?

 

[McRat]

Keep in mind that the most powerful Dmax 5 years ago was Nasty Girl at 1000HP.

 

[McRat]

didnt that engine blow up just last year or so due to the main bearing clearance being all jacked up??? i remember subman and a few others posting about it, not sure if it was this forum or another?

I don't discuss other people's engine failures, that's up to them.

I can say this. I am unaware of many max effort Dmaxes that have run for over 1 year without a significant failure.

It's interesting when I read on the internet that "Truck X" has run for years with no problems, when privately I know differently.

Problem is, with folk like you and Cole out there, nobody likes to discuss engine problems. Because they use the info in an attempt to elevate themselves and define themselves as "The Expert". People like that exist on all internet hotrod forums, but we try our best to make them look foolish here.

Nevermind ...

 

[Diesel power]

I don't discuss other people's engine failures, that's up to them.

I can say this. I am unaware of many max effort Dmaxes that have run for over 1 year without a significant failure.

It's interesting when I read on the internet that "Truck X" has run for years with no problems, when privately I know differently.

Problem is, with folk like you and Cole out there, nobody likes to discuss engine problems. Because they use the info in an attempt to elevate themselves and define themselves as "The Expert". People like that exist on all internet hotrod forums, but we try our best to make them look foolish here.

Nevermind ...

I posted my tear down pics from my race truck and found failed pushrods, thats all the issue we found. They were stock however.

 

[McRat]

I posted my tear down pics from my race truck and found failed pushrods, thats all the issue we found. They were stock however.

You post stuff concerning various Dmax failures on many different sites including this one, seldom anything you were actually involved with.

Since some of that info was altered to suit your marketing needs, it's not like you have a lot of credibility.

 

[Diesel power]

You post stuff concerning various Dmax failures on many different sites including this one, seldom anything you were actually involved with.

Since some of that info was altered to suit your marketing needs, it's not like you have a lot of credibility.

Some can look at a product find it's flaws before it's used, design a better unit and use it with success. No marketing needed, just common sence!

 

[TrentNell]

Some can look at a product find it's flaws before it's used, design a better unit and use it with success. No marketing needed, just common sence!

What Success have been made that no one else engine program has done ? IMOP to do something that hasnt been done and call it vastly better it will take 100-200 passes at 1k-1500k hp . Hell my back yard built budget motor saw more power than yours and made more passes last year you don't see me marketing it do you :roflmao:

 

[McRat]

Some can look at a product find it's flaws before it's used, design a better unit and use it with success. No marketing needed, just common sence!

Some can look at a product, realize they can't make a dime promoting it, so make up flaws for it. No common sense, just marketing.

Seriously, show me where steel diesel racing pistons make 50 less HP than aluminum pieces, and we will call it even. The real experts believe steel pistons have less frictional losses, lower emissions, can use less bore clearance, and can use less head clearance. Hence they believe they can increase HP over alum.

Heck, show us how you proved Dmax main caps aren't better off with a girdle. Wait, that would take us back to the topic ...

 

[TrentNell]

Back on topic a bit , I have a Gorilla Gridle in my hands right now , it will be used this year and had the block filled 1/2 way also , I will post pics of the tear down at the end of the year as I usually do , and the kit come complete with no modifications being needed its all "bolt on" .

 

[Diesel power]

Some can look at a product, realize they can't make a dime promoting it, so make up flaws for it. No common sense, just marketing.

Seriously, show me where steel diesel racing pistons make 50 less HP than aluminum pieces, and we will call it even. The real experts believe steel pistons have less frictional losses, lower emissions, can use less bore clearance, and can use less head clearance. Hence they believe they can increase HP over alum.

Heck, show us how you proved Dmax main caps aren't better off with a girdle. Wait, that would take us back to the topic ...

in a street aplication steel would be fine due to the lack of sustained RPM and the tighter PTW.

In a racing application Weight and RPM dont work well together, nore does tight PTW's, hence why again every form of RACING use's aluminum pistons to get the job done.

For every 3lbs of weight in the recipricating portion of the engine thats lost @ 4000 rpm the HP gains were 35 HP, when the weight was started @ a 2200g bobweight. as bob weight got larger HP gains also got larger, as weight reduction remained the same.

When RPM was raised to 6000 the HP gain was almost 60HP, Tests conducted at even higher RPM showed even higher HP gains

Rotational weight only accounts for about half of that at best.

this is the whole reason every form of racing in the world use's light weight aluminum pistons and lightweight rods and valve train components.........But you can only lead a horse to water ya know

 

[Diesel power]

What Success have been made that no one else engine program has done ? IMOP to do something that hasnt been done and call it vastly better it will take 100-200 passes at 1k-1500k hp . Hell my back yard built budget motor saw more power than yours and made more passes last year you don't see me marketing it do you :roflmao:

not to take away from what your truck is or is not, but you have no idea what kind of power my truck makes, review my data log that i posted for a min in the piston thread, thats identicle to what we saw all year long, That bog at the front after launch was a bog that lasted 7 tenths of a second BEFORE recovery was seen.......Yea and i still ran a 5.43 1/8th on that pass with plenty of tire shakin....go figure.

one other thing my back half is the same as darrens and banks...so again i must be making some power.

 

[TrentNell]

not to take away from what your truck is or is not, but you have no idea what kind of power my truck makes, review my data log that i posted for a min in the piston thread, thats identicle to what we saw all year long, That bog at the front after launch was a bog that lasted 7 tenths of a second BEFORE recovery was seen.......Yea and i still ran a 5.43 1/8th on that pass with plenty of tire shakin....go figure.

one other thing my back half is the same as darrens and banks...so again i must be making some power.

It was not ment as an insult , just to point out a relatively stock motor with rods can hold that much HP for 20 passes , nothing more, and until the same recipe has made X HP for more passes than the competitions engine package you will get the same response when you claim yours is so much better . and to me silly HP calculations for 1 gear or 1 part of the track proves nothing , Weight / MPH average across a whole run is the only thing I believe or respect and yes I have done the math on yours and it is no slouch .

I think the thing you don't realize Wade is we have no problem with what your doing with the truck , the problem most have is you not being able to sit back and let your actions do all the talking , intead of claiming you have all the answer and perfected the whole thing .............. after 20 passes you have no clue if you are onto something good or not , I hope your are and hope we see some ground breaking leaps forward in the years to come regardless of who comes up with it or what it is , we simply need something better !!!

 

[Diesel power]

It was not ment as an insult , just to point out a relatively stock motor with rods can hold that much HP for 20 passes , nothing more, and until the same recipe has made X HP for more passes than the competitions engine package you will get the same response when you claim yours is so much better . and to me silly HP calculations for 1 gear or 1 part of the track proves nothing , Weight / MPH average across a whole run is the only thing I believe or respect and yes I have done the math on yours and it is no slouch .

I think the thing you don't realize Wade is we have no problem with what your doing with the truck , the problem most have is you not being able to sit back and let your actions do all the talking , intead of claiming you have all the answer and perfected the whole thing .............. after 20 passes you have no clue if you are onto something good or not , I hope your are and hope we see some ground breaking leaps forward in the years to come regardless of who comes up with it or what it is , we simply need something better !!!

Thank you trent, this is why i hate the internet, for me it's hard to get across how i really feel with out pissing someone off, and getting my posts missinterpreted.

I certainly dont claim to have "all" the right changes and ideas, but i am glad to be a part of some of the latest innovation for the dodge and d-max parts world.

i was told as a kid, "if it aint broke dont fix it", but i refuse to sit back and "wait" for something to break. I'll fix it first....:rofl:

 

[McRat]

in a street aplication steel would be fine due to the lack of sustained RPM and the tighter PTW.

You don't know. You haven't run steel pistons on the street. In fact, you haven't run a Dmax on the street for that matter.

In a racing application Weight and RPM dont work well together, nore does tight PTW's, hence why again every form of RACING use's aluminum pistons to get the job done.

You don't know. You don't know the weight diff between the two pistons. Audi is running steel, and they spin faster than you (and so do many other diesels), for longer than you.

For every 3lbs of weight in the recipricating portion of the engine thats lost @ 4000 rpm the HP gains were 35 HP, when the weight was started @ a 2200g bobweight. as bob weight got larger HP gains also got larger, as weight reduction remained the same.

You don't know. What's the difference in weight between a steel racing piston and an aluminum one? Or heck, you really think it takes a 35HP electric motor to reciprocate a 3lb weight at 4000rpm? When did YOU do the test?

When RPM was raised to 6000 the HP gain was almost 60HP, Tests conducted at even higher RPM showed even higher HP gains

Rotational weight only accounts for about half of that at best.

You don't know. You don't spin 6000. I doubt you dyno anything for that matter. If you could have shown alum rods made power on a dyno, you certainly would have it tatooed on your forehead.

this is the whole reason every form of racing in the world use's light weight aluminum pistons and lightweight rods and valve train components.........But you can only lead a horse to water ya know

You don't know. We do know that diesel racing is starting to use steel pistons. Hence you can't know that ALL race engines use aluminum. In fact, there is a thread here where somebody is using beryllium pistons (lighter than alum, stronger than steel).

Here's one thing I don't know. How much HP it would take to break the vacuum generated by extracting your cranium from your rectum.