x2 and in ca they dont stand up for shiat in court. they try to use them alot in my industry but have yet to see one hold up yet. But co laws may be diffrent
WOW. Read this.
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x2 and in ca they dont stand up for shiat in court. they try to use them alot in my industry but have yet to see one hold up yet. But co laws may be diffrent
It's also hard to fight in court when you are starting a new business and don't have the cash to fight it with.
This is posted on the ATS site.
As the owner of ATS Diesel Performance, I have been scrutinizing the current situation regarding the EPA letter. I have withheld any reaction to this situation until I could go over all the facts, make extensive internal investigations, and then make an informed decision based on facts, not emotion.
Over the past 15 years, ATS has endured countless attacks aimed to discredit our reputation as a company and also me personally. I am saddened to say that this appears to be another one of those situations. I will not discuss who was ultimately responsible for this letters procurement and dissemination. Let me say that this kind of "scare mongering" can help no one and ultimately, not only damage the reputations of the parties concerned, but also the entire industry as a whole.
ATS' main focus, since our inception, has been one of promoting the diesel industry, first and foremost. ATS and its entire staff have focused their collective efforts into elevating the diesel industry by supporting events, providing tech support, sponsoring drivers and owners and helping innovative thinkers in the diesel community with support that combine both products and funding. Each employee at ATS Diesel shares the same commitment that I have to the industry, one of increased development and furthering the diesel industry.
The advent of more, far reaching restrictions from the EPA are something that we, as a whole, will have to learn to work within while still keeping the vehicles we love performing at levels that not only meet EPA's regulations, but also have the same great performance afforded us all by product developers and resellers like ATS Diesel. The unfortunate posting of a letter like this can do no good for any of the parties mentioned or the diesel community as a whole.
For you, our customers, and those in the diesel community, ATS will continue to provide, support, engineer, test and develop products for the diesel industry; working with you to bring to market the products and performance you demand with the quality you deserve.
Sincerely
Clint Cannon
President
ATS Diesel Performance Inc.
As the owner of ATS Diesel Performance, I have been scrutinizing the current situation regarding the EPA letter. I have withheld any reaction to this situation until I could go over all the facts, make extensive internal investigations, and then make an informed decision based on facts, not emotion.
Over the past 15 years, ATS has endured countless attacks aimed to discredit our reputation as a company and also me personally. I am saddened to say that this appears to be another one of those situations. I will not discuss who was ultimately responsible for this letters procurement and dissemination. Let me say that this kind of "scare mongering" can help no one and ultimately, not only damage the reputations of the parties concerned, but also the entire industry as a whole.
ATS' main focus, since our inception, has been one of promoting the diesel industry, first and foremost. ATS and its entire staff have focused their collective efforts into elevating the diesel industry by supporting events, providing tech support, sponsoring drivers and owners and helping innovative thinkers in the diesel community with support that combine both products and funding. Each employee at ATS Diesel shares the same commitment that I have to the industry, one of increased development and furthering the diesel industry.
The advent of more, far reaching restrictions from the EPA are something that we, as a whole, will have to learn to work within while still keeping the vehicles we love performing at levels that not only meet EPA's regulations, but also have the same great performance afforded us all by product developers and resellers like ATS Diesel. The unfortunate posting of a letter like this can do no good for any of the parties mentioned or the diesel community as a whole.
For you, our customers, and those in the diesel community, ATS will continue to provide, support, engineer, test and develop products for the diesel industry; working with you to bring to market the products and performance you demand with the quality you deserve.
Sincerely
Clint Cannon
President
ATS Diesel Performance Inc.
Shit happens. The fact that it was typed up is a huge question itself. if that is exactly from Clint, I, and every person in this community wants to know why something like that would even be brought up to begin with. Attorneys dont work for free, and I call BS if clints attorney just randomly decided to draft this letter. THERE HAS HAD to be some talk about it. And what attorney in there right mind would write a letter and spend all this free time researching just to draft something Clint would "Never" agree to release? I agree someone needs to be delt with, but there is still the HUGE fact that this letter was even drafted up..
Something smells fishy in here....and its not Johnnys fingers
Something smells fishy in here....and its not Johnnys fingers
Got this from ATS...
Clint has prepared a statement and has asked me to post EXACTLY this on
his behalf:
After reading the forums for the last several years, and being in the
business for more than fifteen, I thought I had seen it all. However,
the level of hate in this last series of forum posts is unbelievable.
At SEMA this year, my attorney Stewart Cables and I attended numerous
seminars regarding the new CARB and EPA regulations for our industry. At
SEMA, ATS (among others) spoke with the EPA about potential ways to
relax the stringent guidelines the EPA enforces on the diesel community,
and how we could lessen its impact through legislation. In the meantime,
Stewart drafted a letter (the one you see on the forums) and sent it to
me on my email. When he sent me the draft, I was totally surprised. I
told him he was absolutely not allowed to send it to the EPA or anyone
else for that matter. I did not think he would identify specific people
or companies, and ATS has never been the type of company to participate
in negative tactics like this. He agreed. The letter posted on the
forums right now is the only draft in existence.
When I told him no, as his client, that was the end of that. But now,
thanks to whoever posted this information, this information is
completely public and everyone in the whole diesel community knows about
it. Now, the EPA knows information I would never, ever allow to be
posted on the internet. Thanks to this letter, to that secret person,
the EPA has a very good idea of EVERYONE who has purchased a DPF delete
kit, and they can see how many of these delete kits are out there on the
road.
Before this hit the forums, Jared sent me a text saying "Thanks for the
letter to the EPA." I had no idea what he was talking about since
Stewart's letter was never released. At first, I thought he was joking.
I asked, pleaded with him to forward me the email or send me the source
so I could figure out what he was talking about. He refused. Why? Why
would he refuse to let me know where he got the email, if I truly sent
the letter? I know that a lot of you will call Jared to see if this is
true, which is great. It seems that everyone knew about this letter
before myself and ATS.
On this letter, that supposedly went to the EPA, where is my signature?
Where is Stewart's signature? Where is the ATS letterhead we use for
every letter that goes out the door? Where is the envelope? How could
someone say ATS sent a letter to the EPA without intercepting it in the
mail?
The only two people in the world to have ever seen this letter, before
December, were myself and my attorney. Yet here it is, all over the
internet for everyone to see and rip on ATS as rats and liars. That's
bs. ATS is aggressively pursuing the individuals involved with illegally
accessing my private and confidential emails.
My name has been drug through the mud and I will not tolerate the public
posting of my private attorney emails. ATS will find out who accessed
its private files and we will pursue every legal option available when
we do.
I have received evidence that an unauthorized source has accessed my
personal e-mail. This is unfortunately not the first time that strictly
confidential internal information from my e-mail was accessed and used
in a negative way towards ATS, but for the first time I now have proof
as to who gained access to the server. I am very upset about this and
concerned for all in the industry including ATS, as we all are in this
niche industry together.
Please see ATS' formal stance here:
http://www.atsdiesel.com/ats_new/resp/response.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:38 PM
To: Kelli Weaver
Subject: Web Site Email
Was the letter to the EPA real????
Clint has prepared a statement and has asked me to post EXACTLY this on
his behalf:
After reading the forums for the last several years, and being in the
business for more than fifteen, I thought I had seen it all. However,
the level of hate in this last series of forum posts is unbelievable.
At SEMA this year, my attorney Stewart Cables and I attended numerous
seminars regarding the new CARB and EPA regulations for our industry. At
SEMA, ATS (among others) spoke with the EPA about potential ways to
relax the stringent guidelines the EPA enforces on the diesel community,
and how we could lessen its impact through legislation. In the meantime,
Stewart drafted a letter (the one you see on the forums) and sent it to
me on my email. When he sent me the draft, I was totally surprised. I
told him he was absolutely not allowed to send it to the EPA or anyone
else for that matter. I did not think he would identify specific people
or companies, and ATS has never been the type of company to participate
in negative tactics like this. He agreed. The letter posted on the
forums right now is the only draft in existence.
When I told him no, as his client, that was the end of that. But now,
thanks to whoever posted this information, this information is
completely public and everyone in the whole diesel community knows about
it. Now, the EPA knows information I would never, ever allow to be
posted on the internet. Thanks to this letter, to that secret person,
the EPA has a very good idea of EVERYONE who has purchased a DPF delete
kit, and they can see how many of these delete kits are out there on the
road.
Before this hit the forums, Jared sent me a text saying "Thanks for the
letter to the EPA." I had no idea what he was talking about since
Stewart's letter was never released. At first, I thought he was joking.
I asked, pleaded with him to forward me the email or send me the source
so I could figure out what he was talking about. He refused. Why? Why
would he refuse to let me know where he got the email, if I truly sent
the letter? I know that a lot of you will call Jared to see if this is
true, which is great. It seems that everyone knew about this letter
before myself and ATS.
On this letter, that supposedly went to the EPA, where is my signature?
Where is Stewart's signature? Where is the ATS letterhead we use for
every letter that goes out the door? Where is the envelope? How could
someone say ATS sent a letter to the EPA without intercepting it in the
mail?
The only two people in the world to have ever seen this letter, before
December, were myself and my attorney. Yet here it is, all over the
internet for everyone to see and rip on ATS as rats and liars. That's
bs. ATS is aggressively pursuing the individuals involved with illegally
accessing my private and confidential emails.
My name has been drug through the mud and I will not tolerate the public
posting of my private attorney emails. ATS will find out who accessed
its private files and we will pursue every legal option available when
we do.
I have received evidence that an unauthorized source has accessed my
personal e-mail. This is unfortunately not the first time that strictly
confidential internal information from my e-mail was accessed and used
in a negative way towards ATS, but for the first time I now have proof
as to who gained access to the server. I am very upset about this and
concerned for all in the industry including ATS, as we all are in this
niche industry together.
Please see ATS' formal stance here:
http://www.atsdiesel.com/ats_new/resp/response.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:38 PM
To: Kelli Weaver
Subject: Web Site Email
Was the letter to the EPA real????
Just the fact that Mr Cannon's lawyer had the audacity to draw that letter up in the first place is bad enough. Thank you Mr Cables for winning the 2008 "What the hell were you thinking?!?" Award.
Whether they deserve it or not, ATS's reputation in the diesel community is now so bad that its eligible for a bailout.
Whether they deserve it or not, ATS's reputation in the diesel community is now so bad that its eligible for a bailout.
They do deserve it. They admited that the lawyer drew the letter up and then ATS said no. If I was ATS and my lawyer drew that up, I wouldn't have stoped at saying don't send it, I would have fired their ass! Point is ATS knew that the letter had been written and they didn't fire the lawyer, so thats reason enough to me to make them just a guilty as the lawyer!
I was just trying to be "nice". More to the point, ATS is toast as a diesel performance company, IMO. I doubt they'll recover from this one.
This illustrates how powerful the internet can really be. Make one F-up and you're done.....worldwide.
I understand and wasn't lashing out at you at all:hug: Just want to make sure people don't misinturpert that BS letter
I have always tried to live by a code of keeping my mouth shut and handeling things on my own. I was always taught snitchs get stiches and never to rat. I've never brought heat down on someone else and I don't expect them to do it to me....even if that someone is my enemy.:angel:
Ok, happy reading and try not to buy into the propaganda
that damn lawyer didnt pull that crap out of his own ass I dont care what they say. I thought a lot of ats but damn the love of money does bad things
Ok, happy reading and try not to buy into the propaganda
NP
I do not own any ATS parts currently, and I never planned on buying anything from them.
My observation was strictly from a business perspective...it doesnt matter if the letter is "true" or not. Their reputation is now damaged. They've refuted the letter, but the damage has already been done.
I have never liked Clint to begin with there is just somethin very odd about him. I guess I know why he couldn't respond to me 9 months ago when I wanted to get my trans sent out to him. He was to busy backstabing the industry. Anyway now I am all pissed off I gotta go to the gym or somethin.
Actualy his business increased after the letter. I have no opinion about the letter and don't care. It worked.
Shows to go you what I know.
So what are you going to write a letter about, Mike? :rofl: