You know thT was my main worry but I just keep a extra gallon in my tool box. Besides. On my last trip back home to Texas from Cali I saw a lot of truck stops that advertised urea fill ups like a gas pump
Question: Should I get a 2012?
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I think the bigger issue here is the EC to the CC thing. If the OP doesn't care for the EC and wants the CC, he should buy new. The used truck prices will work to his advantage. If he sticks with an EC then he should probably keep what he has. Moving up from an EC to a CC was the best decision I made and I'm glad I'm in an LBZ. I'm glad I got it over an LMM because I totally hate my wife's 07 Denali. Total junk. Then again, apples to oranges...
what happens when you run out of fuel?
A tank of DEF lasts thousands of miles. Nobody seems to have trouble keeping their diesel tank filled. Why should a DEF tank be any different. Its commonplace enough that you can find DEF almost anywhere diesel is sold.
It's just another annoying thing to have to do. It makes diesels less desirable and people already complain about "higher maintenance costs.
My Dad's LML went through 5 or so gallons of DEF in the 2000 miles that are on it.
DEF is annoying, Regens are annoying. It's a band aid to emissions and will end up costing a lot more when parts have to replaced... I don't think you can argue that.
its $15 every 3,000 miles or so.... People pay $8,000 for the duramax option, and then complain about an extra $15 every couple thousand miles?
(if you are paying more than $15 or so to refill the DEF tank, you're getting ripped off)
It's just another annoying thing to have to do. It makes diesels less desirable and people already complain about "higher maintenance costs.
My Dad's LML went through 5 or so gallons of DEF in the 2000 miles that are on it.
DEF is annoying, Regens are annoying. It's a band aid to emissions and will end up costing a lot more when parts have to replaced... I don't think you can argue that.
I'm with you... Its annoying and I don't want to have to deal with it. I mean really.. Exhaust fluid? I used to joke about headlight fluid and muffler bearings but now shits getting real. Granted I would just rip all that junk off anyways, but then you lose warranty and its expensive to do anyways.. If you want a CC, maybe look into picking up an lmm, then you can still get a good tune on it.
any heavy duty truck center. $3/gallon is generally the going rate if you DONT buy it at some ripoff place that only moves 2 gallons a month of the stuff. (ie, a local auto parts store)
I'm gonna have to start that then I was gettig it from a dealer. Thanks for the tip
I've always bought mine from the parts store also. So far, no DEF problems for me. I had a sensor in the DPF go bad, my only issue so far.
Mine uses a gallon every 2K miles. The only problem I had was a temp sensor in the urea tank and had the tank replaced by Robert ( RKT ).
My LML has about 20k on it and I havn't had any problems as of yet. The def really isn't a big deal at all, I just put a jug in when the warning comes on. It gives you plenty of time to do so.
We got 25 thousand on one of ours and I'm going to say around 40 thousand on one of the others. No problems at all on either.
I am completely happy with my LML. I have not calculated the whole life on fuel so far, but I would say its probably on par with my LB7. highway is better and the city is worse, so on average about the same. Keeping the urea full is not an issue at all. Chassis and power are awesome. I do miss the LB7 when I want mega power, but the LML has all you need for any job. Matter of fact my wife and I took it on a 2000 mile trip instead of the 2010 Camry SE v6, and averaged 20mpg running 70-80mph
And to go even one step further, if I were to buy an LML, Id slap a set of LBZ/LMM heads on it and plug in an LMM wiring harness/ECM (yes, it plugs right in). Boom. Theres your "EFILive tunable LML".
Have you tested this? Or know someone that has? I was wondering if that was something that was possible to do
I hope I test drove enough, I only drove the 2 I liked and they both seemed like they would kick the crap out of my LLY. Ran them both up to the limiter and they seemed way snappier on the top end, but my LLY tune doesn't run a ton of fuel on top either.
I wish the GM card thing would come in the mail tomorrow with $2000 off again...
Mine pulls real hard on the top end with the Quadzilla 80hp tune. 6th gear is a lot of fun at 120+!
Just do it, you'll love it!
Just do it, you'll love it!
Just throwing this out there but a friend of mine just bought a 2012 CC DMax LT a week ago for 42500. They said that they needed to move the trucks and knocked 8K off the price! I've been looking for used LMM LTZs and am having a hard time finding those for that price.
I got mine for around $45k. But it was right when the 2012's came out. Same price I paid for my LBZ back in 06. $55k+ is a lot to pay for a truck. But damn they are nice!