New NHRDA rules

[Subman]

I've gone round and round on this and admittedly was a bit surprised when the weight was left at 6000 lbs for a 4x4. I agree with Dustin and Pat, the weight should probably be 6500 for 4x4's and 6000 for 2x4's and allow them tires they can get to hook. If I wanted to have a full out Super street truck this year I'd build a wt 2x4. It's a great class, I want to see it grow, I say lets work with the rules this year and see where we are at the end of the year. I'd bet around the country there were as many or more SS events won with true daily drivers as there were dedicated SS race trucks.

 

[McRat]

Probably the ticket would be to get a full-body Chevelle that was already cert'd to 8.50's, throw a Dmax in it with a PG and a 9", then ballast it up.

Chuck 500lb, and run Pro, then chuck the rest and run Top.

 

[MadMooseEngineering]

Probably the ticket would be to get a full-body Chevelle that was already cert'd to 8.50's, throw a Dmax in it with a PG and a 9", then ballast it up.

Chuck 500lb, and run Pro, then chuck the rest and run Top.

thats exactly what i would do build the racecar light and then ballast up for the weight i dont see anything that says you cant do that.

but i cant afford that yet so ill stick to running et cause to me thats true racing cause the driver has to cut good lights and then know how to play the top end. i think thats what racing is not who has the most to throw at a racecar cause i wouldnt be able to compete. the rules have and will upset people but thats going to happen. i wanna see this sport grow and will help out in anyway shape or form.

 

[paint94979]

Probably the ticket would be to get a full-body Chevelle that was already cert'd to 8.50's, throw a Dmax in it with a PG and a 9", then ballast it up.

Chuck 500lb, and run Pro, then chuck the rest and run Top.

Pat I have a 68 Chevelle do you have an engine ?LOL just kidding

 

[othrgrl]

I UNDERSTAND ALOT OF WHAT GUYS ARE SAYING IN HERE , BUT THERE WERE MONTHS OF PEOPLE MAKING SUGESTIONS , AND ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THIS THREAD WERENT CHIMING IN WHEN THE INPUT WAS NEEDED , NOW THAT THE RULES ARE SET IN STONE ALL THE SUDDEN PEOPLE CARE ? IT DOESNT MATTER TO ME BECAUSE I AM NOT RACING SUPER STREET NEXT YEAR . I DONT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES BUT I THINK ITS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION . AND I AGREE WITH ROB GO TO RACES TO HAVE FUN , I RACED SUPER STREET LAST YEAR WITH A MUCH SLOWER TRUCK THAN MOST AND IT NEVER STOPPED MY FROM TRAVELING OR RACING , AND I STILL HAD A GOOD TIME WHETHER I WON OR NOT .



EDIT : sorry for the caps didnt notice

I sent a few reply emails to Chris (at NHRDA) with my opinions on this, same ones I'm listing here. I don't have a huge problem with the rules, but I agree that they should be reconsidered next year.

IMO if you are going to build a truck strictly for racing why would you build it for the street class? That's like conditioning for a UFC fight then picking fights in a high school parking lot. Sure you can find every loop hole to make your race-only truck barely fit the street class, but at the end of the day you are a bully, too scared to pick on the guys your size. Maybe a bad analogy, but I'm sure you get the point.

I think that if you are going to run an index class for guys that don't want to run a bar it should be an 11.60 index - gives them .1 for a break out without getting in trouble for not having a cage.

 

[TrentNell]

I sent a few reply emails to Chris (at NHRDA) with my opinions on this, same ones I'm listing here. I don't have a huge problem with the rules, but I agree that they should be reconsidered next year.

IMO if you are going to build a truck strictly for racing why would you build it for the street class? That's like conditioning for a UFC fight then picking fights in a high school parking lot. Sure you can find every loop hole to make your race-only truck barely fit the street class, but at the end of the day you are a bully, too scared to pick on the guys your size. Maybe a bad analogy, but I'm sure you get the point.

I think that if you are going to run an index class for guys that don't want to run a bar it should be an 11.60 index - gives them .1 for a break out without getting in trouble for not having a cage.

I agree Dustin , that is why i am building mine for Pro Street I want to try and run with the big dogs event if they woop up on me that is fun racing IMOP , and my suggestion to them was exactly the same as yours , 11.50-11.60 index and the rest get bumped to pro street.

 

[Dan@PPE]

He's been bussy on the phone latley....

"Fast Frankie" called me asking what is needed to switch his truck over to 2wd.

That should be interesting.

 

[othrgrl]

I agree Dustin , that is why i am building mine for Pro Street I want to try and run with the big dogs event if they woop up on me that is fun racing IMOP , and my suggestion to them was exactly the same as yours , 11.50-11.60 index and the rest get bumped to pro street.

I don't want to see the Super Street class get indexed, I don't want to have to dial mine that far back and think it would take alot of fun out of it for the spectators and racers both. You would have the slow bracket class then the class of trucks all dialing down to run 11.5s, then the Pro Street class - no more weekend warrior street trucks running heads up and all out - which is what I've always like to see, since long before I was part of that group. I was talking about if they were going to add an index class for guys that don't want to put in a bar - they could call it quick street or something. If I get wooped on by another daily driver, multi-use street truck that's fine, it means I need to build mine to go faster. But going against all out drag trucks with no hitch, no bottom to the bed, no actual tailgate, no interior, and a fuel cell just takes the fun out of running in the street class.

 

[Subman]

"Fast Frankie" called me asking what is needed to switch his truck over to 2wd.

That should be interesting.

You are kidding? Frankie One Fast of trucking for kids fame in 2006? Owns a trucking company or something like that?

 

[Kat]

Frankie One Fast of trucking for kids fame in 2006?

:nod:

 

[sweetdiesel]

But going against all out drag trucks with no hitch, no bottom to the bed, no actual tailgate, no interior, and a fuel cell just takes the fun out of running in the street class.

What does it matter if the truck has a non OEM fuel tank? Someone please explain this to me.

If it makes the weight requirement, What does it matter? Ill have no problom even if they make it 6500lbs.

 

[TrentNell]

I don't want to see the Super Street class get indexed, I don't want to have to dial mine that far back and think it would take alot of fun out of it for the spectators and racers both. You would have the slow bracket class then the class of trucks all dialing down to run 11.5s, then the Pro Street class - no more weekend warrior street trucks running heads up and all out - which is what I've always like to see, since long before I was part of that group. I was talking about if they were going to add an index class for guys that don't want to put in a bar - they could call it quick street or something. If I get wooped on by another daily driver, multi-use street truck that's fine, it means I need to build mine to go faster. But going against all out drag trucks with no hitch, no bottom to the bed, no actual tailgate, no interior, and a fuel cell just takes the fun out of running in the street class.

How is any of that even relevent with a minumum weight limmit ? 6k is 6k no matter how it is acheived .

What does it matter if the truck has a non OEM fuel tank? Someone please explain this to me.

If it makes the weight requirement, What does it matter? Ill have no problom even if they make it 6500lbs.

X2

 

[IdahoRob]

We looked at the rules and built within them last year. We ran Pro Street and Super Street. Won Both series. I laugh when I see statements like "IMO if you are going to build a truck strictly for racing why would you build it for the street class? That's like conditioning for a UFC fight then picking fights in a high school parking lot. Sure you can find every loop hole to make your race-only truck barely fit the street class, but at the end of the day you are a bully, too scared to pick on the guys your size. Maybe a bad analogy, but I'm sure you get the point."

Now do I believe that there needs to be a class that 11 second true street trucks can compete in, heck yes I do. I drive one and race it in what ever class I can. I raced it in three classes at some events. But don't hate a race team because they won by following the rules and racing in 90% of the available events. This years Super Street trucks exceeded most everyone's expectations, and that is why the rules are being changed. I love the fact that NHRDA came to the 2009 members that raced and asked opinions about rules, instead of just changing then without feedback.

 

[bigbird]

What does it matter if the truck has a non OEM fuel tank? Someone please explain this to me.

If it makes the weight requirement, What does it matter? Ill have no problom even if they make it 6500lbs.

because few if any daily or regularly driven trucks have fuel cells. They are trying to make this a street truck class, not race truck class.

 

[Subman]

There are still going to be some seriously quick Super Street trucks. OSU Beaver is building the single cab 03 that I sold him and it will be a very very quick truck. My 06 shouldn't be too shabby either, but 500 lbs or so heaver than OSU Beaver's truck.

 

[TrentNell]

There are still going to be some seriously quick Super Street trucks. OSU Beaver is building the single cab 03 that I sold him and it will be a very very quick truck. My 06 shouldn't be too shabby either, but 500 lbs or so heaver than OSU Beaver's truck.

I agree Ken , my truck before i tore it down would have fit the new rules perfectly and with the new turbo's would easilly be in the mid 10's anywere in the country , it will still take a 10 sec truck to win in SS , unless there is carnage . and my guess is we will still see some 9 sec passes in SS .

 

[ChevyDieselLLY]

I agree Ken , my truck before i tore it down would have fit the new rules perfectly and with the new turbo's would easilly be in the mid 10's anywere in the country , it will still take a 10 sec truck to win in SS , unless there is carnage . and my guess is we will still see some 9 sec passes in SS .

so where will my truck fit in? what will my truck run with a built motor? keep in mind the only thing that i wil be adding are some 100% over injectors everything else i already have. high 10s? 10.9? 10.8?

 

[paint94979]

so where will my truck fit in? what will my truck run with a built motor? keep in mind the only thing that i wil be adding are some 100% over injectors everything else i already have. high 10s? 10.9? 10.8?

you are not going to know until you run it... just because he runs this with that turbo doesn't mean you will run the same thing.

 

[sweetdiesel]

because few if any daily or regularly driven trucks have fuel cells. They are trying to make this a street truck class, not race truck class.

Ok Kelly, if you want to look at it that way.
The same could be said for injectors, if you run 100 overs you are less likely to be a true street truck. And more likey a race truck.


Bob: Im going to have me a race truck!

Doug: You mean your going to install a fuel cell?

Bob: Yep that is all I need to do, Right?

Doug: Thats what I heard

Doug: You could just keep the OEM tank and race both classes.

Bob: Is that fair?

Doug: Well no one drives on the street with a fuel cell? So yes.


It makes no difference IMO

 

[TrentNell]

so where will my truck fit in? what will my truck run with a built motor? keep in mind the only thing that i wil be adding are some 100% over injectors everything else i already have. high 10s? 10.9? 10.8?

with the right setup , and as long as you can get it to 60ft , weight ect at your elevation it should go 10's . but as paint said ,there are no grarentee's . I went 11.0 with that setup , maxxed out went 10.56 with that setup .