New NHRDA rules

[McRat]

Well, no set of rules makes everyone happy, and I suppose these hit the mark.

The hot ticket is going to be figuring out a 5000lb 2wd setup. You'll probably have to actually shave it to 4500lb, then ballast up the rear. Keep in mind a stock 2wd short wheelbase Dmax is still 6000lb without driver, so where the 5000lb "street" truck comes from (<4800lb dry) is perhaps engine swap trucks.

I'd sure like them to add 3/4 Ton or 1 ton chassis only in there somewhere. Diesel pickups don't weight 4800lb, sorry.

 

[Stingpuller]

Rules

These rules fit my truck like I made them up. LOL I'm not sure how they come up with them but if I would decide to race my truck next year it fits pretty good.Mine weighs 5900 with me(300) and a 1/4 tank of fuel. I could get another 200 lbs out pretty easy and still make there weight. Id bet I could get to 5500 if I changed the rear end and took everything out of the cab. I voiced my opinion at 6500 so i'm not sure how that come to be. Jeff

 

[NHRDA]

Found this on the NHRDA forum new rules for next year

http://www.nhrda.com/Forumz9/showthread.php?t=831.

Thank you, I had to run out and didn't get done posting on all the sites.

could someone post the new rules? feeling cheap and dont feel like paying to be a member to read...

As Kat said, no cost to be on the forums.

 

[Stingpuller]

Rules

These work for me. I won't have to change a thing. Jeff:happy2:

 

[Subman]

I heard there was some early discussion of moving 4x4's to 6,500lbs and leaving 2 wheels at 5,000 lbs and allowing slicks. That is about a 250 hp advantage to the 2 wheel drive trucks to make the same time on the track. I think they decided that was too much. We can still run Superstreet with Max'd Out without too much trouble. We have decided to move up to prostreet, but if we want to run superstreet it wouldn't take much work to do it.

 

[Noreaster]

well that should keep the TS truck out of super street

 

[TrentNell]

I like the new rules :thumb:

 

[zfuller123]

I think i read on there too that depending on the track - we have to meet the NHRA or IHRA rules....

I know for IHRA tracks - the diesel classes are expected to have stacks now, or turn ups... not sure how stringent they'll be - but i'd imagine the tracks will all start hitting pretty heavy on this this year.

Also - things int he NHRA classes in particular - having to meet the requirements for the particuler ET/MPH the truck runs... that can get spendy in a hurry for the faster trucks. Roll cages and stuff some already have in the upper division trucks - others aren't there yet. Other things like drive line straps, straps for tracktion bars (in case they break to prevent them from rotating and digging into the track, etc....

Lots of stuff - probably a move for the best overall - but still going to upset some people if they enfore it to the letter this year. Lots of little rules that i'm sure alot of people aren't aware of...

 

[zfuller123]

I'd also really like to get a list of potential tracks this year - besides the one already slated in Phoenix... I know their schedule isnt complete yet - but would love to know if they're looking at Salt Lake, colorado or vegas for one of the Region 2 events at least. 700 miles to phoenix, and that being potentially the closest race all season....

I'd love ot see them pull one off here or Vegas. Nobody ever minds going to vegas - though i'm not sure vegas would know how to handle all us diesel heads. Just wondering if anyone has any intel on their tracks this year. I know Randy said they were going to be cutting the # of events down too - so that narrows down the field over last year as well.

 

[paint94979]

I'd also really like to get a list of potential tracks this year - besides the one already slated in Phoenix... I know their schedule isnt complete yet - but would love to know if they're looking at Salt Lake, colorado or vegas for one of the Region 2 events at least. 700 miles to phoenix, and that being potentially the closest race all season....

I'd love ot see them pull one off here or Vegas. Nobody ever minds going to vegas - though i'm not sure vegas would know how to handle all us diesel heads. Just wondering if anyone has any intel on their tracks this year. I know Randy said they were going to be cutting the # of events down too - so that narrows down the field over last year as well.

We need more events in CA as well... LOTS of fast trucks in CA the Redding Event was lackluster at best. Sacramento or Infineon would be awesome venues. i also felt the event in Redding should have been a 2 day deal. I didn't get to watch the dyno event etc...

 

[othrgrl]

I like the new SS rules with the exception of the weight limits. I think they should match the weight limits to just under what a factory RCLB Duramax weighs (assuming that is the lightest you can get off the lot) for both 2WD and 4WD. That would give the guys with EC and CC trucks a chance to get down to the weight without going to extreme measures and keep everyone that wants to have a chance from 1.) stripping their EC/CC down to a race truck 2.) buying a RC to make into a race truck. It would also give the heavier Ford and Dodge guys a chance in hell to get near the weight limit. After all this is supposed to be for truely street driven, steet legal trucks - not gutted and stripped race trucks. Guys that want to take their trucks further can step up into the Pro-Street class where they belong, from what I seen the class has been pretty empty because everyone would rather race their race-only trucks in the SuperStreet class. Also if you are going to allow full slicks on the 2WD's I don't feel the 1,000 lb weight limit difference is justified anymore.

Wonder what they would say about a cab and chassis? While I am taking off the street tires it would be easy to stack them behind the truck, buzz out the 6 bolts for the bed, unplug the lights, and have a friend help me set the bed on the tires. That and seats is about the only thing I can think of to quickly pull for races and have a chance of getting near 6,000 lbs. Other guys only have bedsides and tailgate skins so what the difference?

 

[NHRDA]

A 4x4 Crew Cab Long box GMC/Chevy has a curb weight of 6141#. Take off the spare tire and run a 1/2 tank of fuel and you are under 6K w/o a driver.

 

[bigbird]

A 4x4 Crew Cab Long box GMC/Chevy has a curb weight of 6141#. Take off the spare tire and run a 1/2 tank of fuel and you are under 6K w/o a driver.

Pretty sure that's not correct. maybe a gasser.

on edit: found this link, but can't imagine it's correct. My truck (CC S/B ) no backseat, no spare, no hitch, 10.0 roll bar, is over 7000

http://www.gmc.com/sierra/2500HD/specsCapabilities.jsp

 

[IdahoRob]

A 4x4 Crew Cab Long box GMC/Chevy has a curb weight of 6141#. Take off the spare tire and run a 1/2 tank of fuel and you are under 6K w/o a driver.

Weight is off by 1000lbs

Most CCSB Duramax weigh in at 6900-7100lbs, long box more.

 

[Stingpuller]

weight

I seen a crew cab short bed with driver cross the scales at 6380 at Schied's. It was Rhall or EDP truck. One has a super charger and turbo and the other has twins so both are heavy. I'm sure if I stripped mine down like Maxed out I could get to 5500. Mine has factory everything inside it. I pit the T bars back on to get were it's at. The dodge boys are running from 5000 to 6000 depends on what's left on it. Jeff

 

[paint94979]

A 4x4 Crew Cab Long box GMC/Chevy has a curb weight of 6141#. Take off the spare tire and run a 1/2 tank of fuel and you are under 6K w/o a driver.

LOL i wish that were the case... my truck with little tires and stock wheels with the tail gate and spare removed with me in it weights 6760...

 

[othrgrl]

A 4x4 Crew Cab Long box GMC/Chevy has a curb weight of 6141#. Take off the spare tire and run a 1/2 tank of fuel and you are under 6K w/o a driver.

There is no way in hell. Go take a RCLB 4x4 diesel for a test drive to the nearest scale, I guarantee it will weigh over 6500 lbs, an ECSB will be over 6800, and a CCSB, ECLB, or CCLB will be over 7000. An ECSB with the spare tire removed, rear and passenger seat removed, tailgate off, and 1/4 tank is still over 6600.

My point is that the Super Street class is supposed to be for street driven, street legal, daily driver, multi-use trucks:

The Super-Street class is designed for your typical weekend warrior with a modified daily driver. These trucks usually serve double duty by hauling the family camper or boat, then making sub 12 second passes down the quarter mile.

In my opinion since a stock RCLB is the lightest truck you can get off the lot - run 1/2 tank and spare removed - that should be the minumum weight allowed in the SS class (probably 6500). The CCSB Jeff mentioned at Scheid's were both completely gutted race trucks, not DD street trucks, and they were still well over the 6000 limit. Without getting too crazy you should be able to get most trucks down close to 6500, but to get a CCSB down to 6000 is gonna mean gutting it completely to nothing (AC, Heat, seats, carpet, headliner, trim, cutting out the spare tire crossmember, no hitch, bumper or tailgate).

 

[zfuller123]

Wow... the weight thing really makes me wonder....

I don't know of a single full bodied / interior CC long box that is a street driven truck (even without the back seats) that comes in under 6700 pounds and thats WITH spare tire gone, fancy aftermarket lighter wheels and small tires, no tailgate, etc... and barely a 1/4 tank of fuel.

I know my cc dually comes in at 8150 with 1/4 fuel and me not it in... but the scale could be +/- 100 pounds... however thats my truck with everything on it, including an empty truck box (maybe 30 #s?) . In reality, i dont see how my truck would outweigh a cc long box by all that much. sure i have a bit more weight in the back - more axle, more springs, and wider fenders... but for that to add up to 1000# more than a single rear wheel truck that is the same otherwise? I just don't think theres any way most of these trucks aren't (factory) 72-7400 pounds...

I can't imagine what my truck would run stripped and gutted down to 6000# :nana3: I believe its this super street class that is usually the 12.0 index class that i'm trying to get dialed in to run this year.... if the weight rules were more realistic i wouldn't feed as bad about the money i have to spend to finish getting my truck to the 12.0s....

On Edit - i just plugged in 6000# and my HP - the calculator says my truck would run 11.3s at 6000# instead of my 12.5 - 12.6s.... pretty steep increase by shaving some weight...

 

[othrgrl]

I believe its this super street class that is usually the 12.0 index class that i'm trying to get dialed in to run this year.... if the weight rules were more realistic i wouldn't feed as bad about the money i have to spend to finish getting my truck to the 12.0s....

The Super Street class is not indexed or bracket, it is heads up with no ET limitation. The Sportsman ET class is bracket and limited to 12.0-19.99 dial times.

Non NHRDA events typically have a bracket ET class, a quick diesel indexed class, and what they call a Pro Street class. The index on the quick diesel class is typically 12.0 but varies depending on the trucks that are there, I've seen as slow as 12.5 to get more people to participate. The "Pro Street" class is usually heads up, run what you brung for guys that can run faster than the indexed quick diesel class.

 

[paint94979]

The Super Street class is not indexed or bracket, it is heads up with no ET limitation. The Sportsman ET class is bracket and limited to 12.0-19.99 dial times.

Non NHRDA events typically have a bracket ET class, a quick diesel indexed class, and what they call a Pro Street class. The index on the quick diesel class is typically 12.0 but varies depending on the trucks that are there, I've seen as slow as 12.5 to get more people to participate. The "Pro Street" class is usually heads up, run what you brung for guys that can run faster than the indexed quick diesel class.

I would assume the NHRDA would have an indexed class like a 12.0
.. it is no fun for me running against 10 second trucks... Heads up should be Pro Street which is an all out Competition truck class.