As you were posting I was typing given Ben some crap.
Sure ya were Mac, sure ya were.....
LML H&S Performance LML tuning
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Sure ya were Mac, sure ya were.....
Eh screw you Ben I'll diss them if I want.
Videos like that can hurt you or help you. IMO others are probably there also but are being tight lipped about it (Um Bullydog comes to mind) until they can show something respectable.
Might also be not much interest in deleting the entire emission package as many (like you) say it SHOULD NOT BE DONE!
Regardless since GM is tightening their belt I wonder how much of a market is going to be out there for trucks that want voided warranties?I do believe in my situation I'd leave a truck stock as delivered from GM in a brand new truck and you know how I like to go fast. To much to risk IMO for what you pay today for one of these trucks! Maybe I'm getting old
I dunno nice to see some are going all out but I don't believe there is going to be a big market just my O.
I'm sure alot of said we were gonna leave our trucks alone when we got it new, I know I did I had a tune loaded the first week I came back to the stares
All the talk about the bad defuel/shifts = Doesn't look/sound any worse than mine with the Bully dog and no transgo jr
I agree Ben. Tuning these days is really nothing, its getting past the point to even touch whats inside. LML tuning will be no harder than any other dmax. The accomplishment here is the fact they got into it, and were able to manipulate it. And they are not sitting there with a nice neat tune tool like most are accustomed to, they are taking a code that looks like a bunch of jibberish even to some "tuners" on here and manipulating it.
It takes time to decipher whats in there and edit it until they have something workable, and can get a grasp on it. Thats hurdle is obviously cleared.
Not everyone sits behind a speradsheet layout with fancy colors and "builds" tunes. If you wait for that to happen, you are way behind. EFI is a basically a tool to give a guy a fancy picture of the "jibberish" that H&S is read/saw/manipulated.
It takes time to decipher whats in there and edit it until they have something workable, and can get a grasp on it. Thats hurdle is obviously cleared.
Not everyone sits behind a speradsheet layout with fancy colors and "builds" tunes. If you wait for that to happen, you are way behind. EFI is a basically a tool to give a guy a fancy picture of the "jibberish" that H&S is read/saw/manipulated.
Couldn't agree more...I couldn't fathom paying what they want for one of these trucks to immediately void the warranty.Eh screw you Ben I'll diss them if I want.
Videos like that can hurt you or help you. IMO others are probably there also but are being tight lipped about it (Um Bullydog comes to mind) until they can show something respectable.
Might also be not much interest in deleting the entire emission package as many (like you) say it SHOULD NOT BE DONE!
Regardless since GM is tightening their belt I wonder how much of a market is going to be out there for trucks that want voided warranties?I do believe in my situation I'd leave a truck stock as delivered from GM in a brand new truck and you know how I like to go fast. To much to risk IMO for what you pay today for one of these trucks! Maybe I'm getting old
I dunno nice to see some are going all out but I don't believe there is going to be a big market just my O.
If you can even get one, they are on restriction still.
Might have to junkyard digging..
Surely there's been a few crashed LML's around somewhere.
I agree but it's a different day ,GM is on to us and they are NOT going to pay warranty claims as loose as before. There is a ton of money at stake here! Returning things to stock aren't even feasible.
I also seen I believe Ben posted you will need a ECM and TCM.
I just don't see many buying a loaded out truck say 50k plus and voiding their 100k warranty. I can't wait to read the horror stories how GM voided my warranty when I brought it in for a driveline vibration. All the Moss posts and what-not!
GM warranty is going to be tough,can you blame them? There will be some that won't care but NOT like the masses of previous years. No way no how! IMO The market will be small . It will be expensive for the consumer and for the people developing the products trying to get a return.
I could be wrong unless they can develop something easy but the gain will be small. IMO the most desired ones will be leaving the emission devices in place ,will it be possible, and the purchase of ECM and TCM. How much are you willing to spend for a tow tune? I rest my case. LOL
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Warranty here has been absolutely horrible. They are doing everything in their legal(ise) power to bounce every claim. The management here is a bunch of raging lunatics about things the last six months.
Warranty here has been absolutely horrible. They are doing everything in their legal(ise) power to bounce every claim. The management here is a bunch of raging lunatics about things the last six months.
I believe it's the trickle down issue.
The way I see it (assuming) is the shop can and does carry the dealer through slow times in sales. Biggest part of that would be warranty claims. As GM tightens their belt to stay in the black they are going to watch things like a hawk.
There going to question everything. Profits are small on vehicle sales ,this is made up in the service department. When GM sees a service department with high warranty claims they investigate.
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Warranty here has been absolutely horrible. They are doing everything in their legal(ise) power to bounce every claim. The management here is a bunch of raging lunatics about things the last six months.
yeah, i dont think id even change out the wheels and tires from stock till the warrenty was up. they look for anything little thing anymore
Hell they have warrantied all of our injectors, all 5 sets and we are way over the alowed mileage. The waraantied the the rear end that cooked because the seals went out. I have had very good luck with them overall. Well except my leaky tranny cooler lines.
The market for tuners on this new truck is the same as it has been on every other new truck. Why would people all of a sudden stop modding their rig?
If it was my company I wouldn't warranty driveline on modded trucks... can you blame them?
If it was my company I wouldn't warranty driveline on modded trucks... can you blame them?
They all say that now, give them a year and I bet most would have something done
Everyone says that when they first get a new rig, then they get the diesel performence itch and they just have to scratch it:rofl:I believe it's the trickle down issue.
The way I see it (assuming) is the shop can and does carry the dealer through slow times in sales. Biggest part of that would be warranty claims. As GM tightens their belt to stay in the black they are going to watch things like a hawk.
There going to question everything. Profits are small on vehicle sales ,this is made up in the service department. When GM sees a service department with high warranty claims they investigate.(They are here 2-3 times a year for a week or so each time. Every single job gets revisited. It sucks for the techs because these pencil pushers hired by gm to bust dealers think that the tech should remember why he changed a specific sensor on x vehicle 3 months ago. Without letting them read the work order that they filled out!)
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GMC_2002_Dmax
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Warranty here has been absolutely horrible. They are doing everything in their legal(ise) power to bounce every claim. The management here is a bunch of raging lunatics about things the last six months.
If I were to bring my truck in for non drive train warranty work such as a non-working steering wheel control, steering rattle, blown speaker, etc and some service manager tried to deny me warranty or warranty blocked my truck just because I have an exhaust and gauges installed I think I would be on the evening news.
If I pop a motor or HG it's my fault, but non-related warranty claims should not be denied.
I'll tell you why IMO it's very simple:
Up to now the emissions weren't anything compared to today. So now it has to be worked around that. GM has a better hold on what to look for in a modded truck ,they have implemented ways to watch !
It was EASY to slip under the radar and semi-return to stock. GM is in a different operating mode which puts the dealers in one also. They are going to be looking at everything like it or not and will without hesitation VOID your warranty! Unless you have pockets of money fighting GM easiest going to be easy I don't care what anyone says! Forgetabout the Moss act!
Service departments that use to be friendly 'probably' aren't going to be as friendly as they use to be in fear GM will not honor warranty claims!
There will be a few no doubt that will chance it BUT not like earlier years. NOW if the capabilities come out where a truck truck owner can have a outside the 'box ' ,plug and play,leaving the emission devices in place ,being able to play hide and seek with no ECM TCM detection then that would be a better market.
I just believe individuals unless they can have plug and play ,fly under the radar with emission devices in tact aren't going to want to void their warranty.
Will that happen?