good article on the new lml engine

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http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010/02/2011-chevrolet-silverado-heavy-duty-first-look-part-2.html


here is a snip-it on the urea emissions controls
"The SCR system uses diesel exhaust fluid, or DEF. The urea-based solution (32.5 percent industrial urea and 67.5 percent deionized water) is held in a 5.3-gallon storage tank and injected as a fine mist into the Duramax’s hot exhaust gases. The heat turns the urea into ammonia that, when combined with a special catalytic converter, breaks down the nitrogen oxide emissions into harmless nitrogen gas and water vapor.

The 2010 Ram Heavy Duty 2500 and 3500 pickup trucks with the 6.7-liter Cummins I-6 diesel don't require DEF. They use a scrubbing solution called an adsorber catalyst that uses precious metals like a catalytic converter to eliminate the pollutant. However, the Ram 3500/4500/5500 commercial cab chassis trucks do use SCR, like GM and Ford.

The DEF refill point for the Silverado HD is mounted under the hood of the engine instead of next to the diesel refueling cap on the side of the cargo box, as it is on the 2011 Super Duty.

Arvan said DEF will need to be replenished about every 5,000 miles, depending on duty cycle. An electric heating element inside the tank will thaw the fluid if it freezes.

"We didn't want to make the DEF tank larger because DEF has a shelf life of only about 12 months," Arvan said.

To ensure that the driver refills the DEF tank, Duramax-equipped trucks will warn the driver when the fluid is down to a 1,000-mile range. A series of start-up warnings — including lights, chimes and messages — will become more frequent until the tank is empty. When the DEF fluid is down to a 100-mile range, the truck will be limited to only 55 mph. As the range declines, so will the vehicle's top speed. If the driver continues to operate the truck with a dry DEF tank, after a final warning and restart, the truck will operate in a “limp home” mode that limits speed to just 5 mph until the tank is refilled."

have fun with that. for some guys they will be putting in that crap once or twice a week. i doubt its cheap either.
 

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http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010/02/2011-chevrolet-silverado-heavy-duty-first-look-part-2.html


here is a snip-it on the urea emissions controls
"The SCR system uses diesel exhaust fluid, or DEF. The urea-based solution (32.5 percent industrial urea and 67.5 percent deionized water) is held in a 5.3-gallon storage tank and injected as a fine mist into the Duramax’s hot exhaust gases. The heat turns the urea into ammonia that, when combined with a special catalytic converter, breaks down the nitrogen oxide emissions into harmless nitrogen gas and water vapor.

The 2010 Ram Heavy Duty 2500 and 3500 pickup trucks with the 6.7-liter Cummins I-6 diesel don't require DEF. They use a scrubbing solution called an adsorber catalyst that uses precious metals like a catalytic converter to eliminate the pollutant. However, the Ram 3500/4500/5500 commercial cab chassis trucks do use SCR, like GM and Ford.

The DEF refill point for the Silverado HD is mounted under the hood of the engine instead of next to the diesel refueling cap on the side of the cargo box, as it is on the 2011 Super Duty.

Arvan said DEF will need to be replenished about every 5,000 miles, depending on duty cycle. An electric heating element inside the tank will thaw the fluid if it freezes.

"We didn't want to make the DEF tank larger because DEF has a shelf life of only about 12 months," Arvan said.

To ensure that the driver refills the DEF tank, Duramax-equipped trucks will warn the driver when the fluid is down to a 1,000-mile range. A series of start-up warnings — including lights, chimes and messages — will become more frequent until the tank is empty. When the DEF fluid is down to a 100-mile range, the truck will be limited to only 55 mph. As the range declines, so will the vehicle's top speed. If the driver continues to operate the truck with a dry DEF tank, after a final warning and restart, the truck will operate in a “limp home” mode that limits speed to just 5 mph until the tank is refilled."

have fun with that. for some guys they will be putting in that crap once or twice a week. i doubt its cheap either.

Diesel sales are going to PLUMIT (sp) sad to say... the more i read about the UREA the more i realize they are truly trying to kill off the use of Diesel powered vehicles :(
 

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interesting. here is something im sure the drag racers will like though:

Chevrolet will also have two brand-new models for its HD Silverado lineup. There will be an SRW crew cab with a 6.5-foot cargo box and a two-wheel-drive regular-cab short box with a Duramax diesel.

"The two-wheel-drive Duramax regular-cab truck will probably be one of the fastest pickups that we've ever produced," Mikulec said.
 

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They are going to get sued when somebody is in "limp home", and it causes an accident!!! Try crossing a busy/wide intersection @ 5mph, what a joke! How about getting stuck in limp, while out in the sticks WTF...
 
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why is everyone bitching about the urea? Its not going to be that bad/that big a deal, honestly.

Its going to be GREAT for the trucks, im excited for it. It will clean up the air, do wonders for fuel economy, and SOMEONE ANSWER ME.....WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE????? There is NONE. I challenge someone to come up with a legit argument for a downside to it.

and I dont want to hear "well the trucks worked fine without it, its just one more thing to break!!!". Thats such a poor answer/argument, look at all the complicated technology that has been on the duramax since 2001...HPCR fuel injection, a body thats completely run on a computer data bus, completely electronic transmission, drive by wire, etc... I guarantee you all that crap is wayyy more complicated and failure prone from a technological standpoint than the entire urea-system.

You guys are all just being stubborn and dismissing it because OMG its some NEW technology.

and before everyone starts getting all up in arms about it, READ THE DETAILS. It will NOT go into limp mode WHILE DRIVING. If you drive it until the tank is empty, it will ding and say "speed limited upon next restart".

as for the cost of urea, you have to refill it every 5,000 miles and it costs about 2.50 a gallon, and the tank holds 5 gallons. If you are spending 50k++ on a diesel pickup truck, STFU, you can afford an extra 13 dollars every 5,000 miles.

Rant off, no offense meant to anyone... :)

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wow lets see which truck do I want, an LMM that gets like 12mpg from the factory, or the LML that gets almost 20mpg and can tow more, is faster, higher front axle capacity, better ride, better brakes, better trans, better everything.....?

HUH....HMMMM

the only downside I see is the initial purchase price increase. But I dont think its going to be the astronomically high price increase everyone ASSumes its going to be. Come on guys, arent there any optimists here?
 

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Only thing I don't agree with is the limp mode of 5mph. A safety issue IMO. We have Mercedes trucks with this stuff and it freezes up for most of the winter as there is no heater in the tank. GM at least had the brains to put a heater in. When it runs out, all it does is throw a check engine light but doesn't affect anything else on the Mercedes.
Water would work fine in the tank in case you ran out. At least it does in the Mercedes at least!:D
 

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How does the LML get so much better fuel mileage? I haven't really red much about it. I figured it would be about the same as the LMM.
 

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:thumb: Thanks Ben thats whatsgoing thru my head also, I for one would buy one if I could shell out that kinda cash!!!!! They fixxed a lot of the short comings on the LMM's and added some new stuff to-boot, christ if GM didnt make changes we would still be driving around 6.5's.:eek: Me and my girlfriend were just talking about UREA this morning (she's works in R+D for a chemical co who's making urea) and we were discussing the posible ways of detecting what fluid is in the tank, you whinning types should know some internet chemist will come up with something for you to put in your urea tanks that you can make at home for pennies on the dollar and makes you feel like your sticking it to the MAN.:spit:
 

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There will be an SRW crew cab with a 6.5-foot cargo box .

You missing the good stuff guys! lol :D

I agree with ben. Its change for the better! 5k really is not bad at all. hell i generally change the oil at 4k so all you gotta do is buy about 5 gal of urea and your good till the next oil change. I may be having to look into an new rc/sb LML instead of the chevy colorado 5.3L i was look to buy :thumb:
 

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Only thing I don't agree with is the limp mode of 5mph. A safety issue IMO. We have Mercedes trucks with this stuff and it freezes up for most of the winter as there is no heater in the tank. GM at least had the brains to put a heater in. When it runs out, all it does is throw a check engine light but doesn't affect anything else on the Mercedes.
Water would work fine in the tank in case you ran out. At least it does in the Mercedes at least!:D

come on, you're gonna have at least 1000 miles of warning!!!!!!

Doesnt your truck stop when it runs out of fuel? Well shit I guess thats a safety issue too then, if you run out of fuel while crossing a busy intersection...think about it that way. Its not like you are cruising along then whoa holy crap omg im out of urea and stuck in the middle of the desert going 5mph. :rolleyes:
 

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They already make a SWR CC with a 6.5' box. The 2wd short bed reg cab is interesting though. I wonder why they don't offer a 4wd.
 

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Only thing I don't agree with is the limp mode of 5mph. A safety issue IMO. We have Mercedes trucks with this stuff and it freezes up for most of the winter as there is no heater in the tank. GM at least had the brains to put a heater in. When it runs out, all it does is throw a check engine light but doesn't affect anything else on the Mercedes.
Water would work fine in the tank in case you ran out. At least it does in the Mercedes at least!:D

The only safety issue is the loose nut behind the wheel. The truck warns the driver about 50 times about the UREA volume in the tank. So if some tard gets plowed driving down the highway at 5mph cause he ignored all the warnings, he deserves it, its called natural selection.:hello:
 

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They already make a SWR CC with a 6.5' box. The 2wd short bed reg cab is interesting though. I wonder why they don't offer a 4wd.

damn i totally didnt read that right. i thought it said reg cab short bed. guess i was way too hopeful lol