The trans tuning SCT/Spartan seems to get them there best ET before it goes out and you don't see to many making up lost ground over there stock vs built. Unlike a built allison and for me in a 05 i went from a 14.5 to 13.5 by just installing a stage 3 SC. I don't see any 6.0/6.4 power strokes making up a full second after they get a built trans and add no other power adders.