I know that John,but they could help us out rather than being a complainer.
The first issue is why they resigned. Not because they resigned.
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No,that was Wade at ATS
If you want to complain then get off your butt and help some of us new Mods out and quit complaining. You and plenty of other staff resigned and caused the first issue over there so give me a break.
Both Mackin and I did our time as Mods there as did many others, and as Nick got more and more corrupted by money and his affection for a certain Vendor is how and why the DP manifested itself into what it ultimately became.
He then did the members the ultimate disservice and sold out everyone.
Read some history and maybe you'll see the BIG PICTURE.
Ask who the "Vendor" is who caused most of the problems and helped drive away people like Pat and myself.................
Have a Nice Day.
I don't like Steve Cole any more than you do Tony and I don't even know him.
I've been there almost 4yrs,not the 5-6 you were but I know my history fairly well.
I've been there almost 4yrs,not the 5-6 you were but I know my history fairly well.
Both Mackin and I did our time as Mods there as did many others, and as Nick got more and more corrupted by money and his affection for a certain Vendor is how and why the DP manifested itself into what it ultimately became.
He then did the members the ultimate disservice and sold out everyone.
Read some history and maybe you'll see the BIG PICTURE.
Ask who the "Vendor" is who caused most of the problems and helped drive away people like Pat and myself.................
Have a Nice Day.
OK guys, let's not turn this into a "fight thread", that's not the purpose.
I'm trying to head off my friends from sticking up for me on TheDieselPlace since it will just get them banned, and drive the wedge in deeper.
Tom (The Bac) is on the right track. Discussing the problem calmly and politely, but not pulling punches.
But it is ironic that we hosted hundreds of videos and pictures on our website for TheDieselPlace members and staff, including Nick and Chad, and now our videos are banned. No good deed will ever go unpunished.
I'm trying to head off my friends from sticking up for me on TheDieselPlace since it will just get them banned, and drive the wedge in deeper.
Tom (The Bac) is on the right track. Discussing the problem calmly and politely, but not pulling punches.
But it is ironic that we hosted hundreds of videos and pictures on our website for TheDieselPlace members and staff, including Nick and Chad, and now our videos are banned. No good deed will ever go unpunished.
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Why do you feel the need to drag someone who is completely unrelated to the topic at hand into this? Since when is it not work to deal with customers? As a general rule of thumb, customers are a major PITA, especially when something breaks (which we all know is not uncommon for ATS stuff).No,that was Wade at ATS
You are probably already aware, but many of us considered Steve Cole our friend, and stood up for him constantly on TheDieselPlace. One by one, he stabbed us in the back, leaving only Nick and Chad to defend Cole. They pretty much had no choice except to resort to suspensions and bannings to help him.
But that is water under the bridge. It is only a necessary note so folk understand the depth of distain for Cole many people have: Strangers attacking you makes you angry at them, and it passes. Supporting a friend who later turns and betrays you is about 10 times up on the PissedOff-o-Meter.
No,that was Wade at ATS
If you want to complain then get off your butt and help some of us new Mods out and quit complaining. You and plenty of other staff resigned and caused the first issue over there so give me a break.
Your barking up the wrong tree here.
Looking at your profile on the DP and a join date of 05-02-2005 and your age explains a lot to me. But I will school you on some things.
1) I didn't resign. I logged on one morning and I was no longer a staff member. IMO quite the thanks for all the hard work and countless hours i put into the forum forgoing family time etc etc.
2) You obviously don't no anything about Chad but he was under his mommies wing for revenue. I'm not going to air more personal information other than he was a spoiled brat. I tolerated him like a annoying mother in law.
Nick was a decent guy and if he had never brought Chad in things MIGHT have been different.
I would like for you to explain 'get off my butt and help'. Help who a corporate business for free? What are you insane? Hey come WORK for me for free,would you?
The weird thing is those previous owners struggled with the perks and items received in exchange for add revenue. Tough line to walk and personally I wouldn't want to be in their shoes doing it.
Also I don't care what RickD has to say. Did RickD tell you that even although we could NOT have vendors limited or not as moderators? I'll bet he didn't all the while he was designing headers for these trucks and other things while being a lead moderator.
Want to bet all the while he was doing that with Nick and Chad the receiver of these products while influencing on policy making and day to day decision that in some way they weren't influenced by wanting product from he?
Well believe it the DOUBLE standard was the way of doing business there! How is that fair when RickD would snuff out people selling hats and stickers all the while he joined up with Midwest Diesel to make money off that forum?
You know NOTHING so enjoy being a moderator there and sorry MY butt is sitting on forums HELPING that deserve any assistance I may provide.
You don't like what you read here or anywhere don't visit. Don't argue a point when you only know what you think you know. I like many have NO interest in helping more than we already have and were NEVER thanked for anything but shown the door.
Regards
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The video has been returned.
Since we discussed the video, it it will be inevitably be returned, so I will do it for all of you!
But, here it is again http://www.mcratracing.com/k/mcratcasper17458.wmv
I truly am sorry for all of the turmoil that took place over this! I never intended any harm, and I had no AX to grind. Believe it or not!
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Since we discussed the video, it it will be inevitably be returned, so I will do it for all of you!
But, here it is again http://www.mcratracing.com/k/mcratcasper17458.wmv
I truly am sorry for all of the turmoil that took place over this! I never intended any harm, and I had no AX to grind. Believe it or not!
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RI Chevy Silveradoman
I frequent DP for a couple reasons still:
Sledpulling results
Marketplace
Buckeye Oil Burners club (still trying to get it moving here)
Other than that I spend most of my time here. I was not an original Team Salad member per say but most of the tuning help I have gotten has come from members here (see my sig) so i guess that makes me an adopted member so to speak. I like the attitude here. I have had my share of quarrels over at DP and nothing good came of any of them. Just too many people started getting big d!ck syndrome and it started getting old. All threads got derailed and turned into crap. I learned so much about my truck over there at first and then it went downhill fast.
What they are doing to Pat is BS and I don't see it changing. I applaud Tom for posting what he did and in the manner that he did it but I don't see them doing anything about it.
Ed
Sledpulling results
Marketplace
Buckeye Oil Burners club (still trying to get it moving here)
Other than that I spend most of my time here. I was not an original Team Salad member per say but most of the tuning help I have gotten has come from members here (see my sig) so i guess that makes me an adopted member so to speak
. I like the attitude here. I have had my share of quarrels over at DP and nothing good came of any of them. Just too many people started getting big d!ck syndrome and it started getting old. All threads got derailed and turned into crap. I learned so much about my truck over there at first and then it went downhill fast. What they are doing to Pat is BS and I don't see it changing. I applaud Tom for posting what he did and in the manner that he did it but I don't see them doing anything about it.
Ed
All I am going to say is there are good people here & tech. I know the basic things about our trucks but I learn somthing every day. Thanks everyone that has helped me and hopfully I can do the same in return one day. But all in all I am here to stay.
Not to change the subject, but that was a hell of a run
Congrats....
As for the rest of this topic, it all comes down to the fact that time and time again, you cannot "buy" class. Either you have it or you don't. If you have it, people will know and respect it. Same goes for sites.
And Mr. McSwain and family, you definitely have it...
Thanks Steve and Pat for helping to clarify that.If I understand it right, what's in that thread is a discussion about DieselPlace deleting pictures and videos if the truck has stickers on it with other website names.
What brought it to the forefront was deleting Casper's Bonneville record video.
Betcha they would have left it up if I crashed...
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It's really sad that such a close-knit diesel community has been nearly destroyed because of ignorance and greed.
But, the diesel community is really a resilient and close family and as we are witnessing, the family members are finding each other again (at other sites) and will continue to promote the sport and the unselfish dissemination of knowledge.
Yes, there are several sites that were spun off from the turmoil at the DP. The interesting thing about them is that they are more than willing to share information, even if it comes from one of the other sites. Why is that? some might ask. Well, it is because we all love the sport and the idea of making awesome power quite often with our "daily drivers" and still get fairly decent fuel economy.
Pat and Kat along with countless members here and at other sites, continue to be pioneers in this exiting sport. Their trailblazing efforts and unselfish willingness to help others are spawning many innovations and technology that are gradually filtering down to the "bread and butter" vehicles we drive for a living.
Thank you all for helping to improve the diesel experience for all of us. We do appreciate your efforts.
It's gone again and back in back room I guess.
I posted the one from El Mirage in the gallery here. But, I won't post it over there since I don't want to cause a problem.
I'm done here. I can no longer tell who is right and don't have the free time to figure it out. That a luxury you must have I don't.
No offence to the McRats :hug:
No offence to the McRats :hug:
Your barking up the wrong tree here.
Looking at your profile on the DP and a join date of 05-02-2005 and your age explains a lot to me. But I will school you on some things.
1) I didn't resign. I logged on one morning and I was no longer a staff member. IMO quite the thanks for all the hard work and countless hours i put into the forum forgoing family time etc etc.
2) You obviously don't no anything about Chad but he was under his mommies wing for revenue. I'm not going to air more personal information other than he was a spoiled brat. I tolerated him like a annoying mother in law.
Nick was a decent guy and if he had never brought Chad in things MIGHT have been different.
I would like for you to explain 'get off my butt and help'. Help who a corporate business for free? What are you insane? Hey come WORK for me for free,would you?
The weird thing is those previous owners struggled with the perks and items received in exchange for add revenue. Tough line to walk and personally I wouldn't want to be in their shoes doing it.
Also I don't care what RickD has to say. Did RickD tell you that even although we could NOT have vendors limited or not as moderators? I'll bet he didn't all the while he was designing headers for these trucks and other things while being a lead moderator.
Want to bet all the while he was doing that with Nick and Chad the receiver of these products while influencing on policy making and day to day decision that in some way they weren't influenced by wanting product from he?
Well believe it the DOUBLE standard was the way of doing business there! How is that fair when RickD would snuff out people selling hats and stickers all the while he joined up with Midwest Diesel to make money off that forum?
You know NOTHING so enjoy being a moderator there and sorry MY butt is sitting on forums HELPING that deserve any assistance I may provide.
You don't like what you read here or anywhere don't visit. Don't argue a point when you only know what you think you know. I like many have NO interest in helping more than we already have and were NEVER thanked for anything but shown the door.
Regards
Bill, Thanks for reposting the video here.
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Holy smokes! That was one hell of a ride!!!
Congratulations to Pat and Kat and to all who contributed to that exiting display of power and determination for winning.
01Dmax6sp:
No offense taken. All Dmax enthusiasts are welcome here regardless of their opinions or what they do on other websites.
We would even let Cole post here as long as he didn't demand special treatment. Not likely.
No offense taken. All Dmax enthusiasts are welcome here regardless of their opinions or what they do on other websites.
We would even let Cole post here as long as he didn't demand special treatment. Not likely.
I'd just like too say....
Thank you for a great site, Im here nearly every day and for a good hunk of my time too! Why? Because i LOVE it! Its good friends, good family, good tech, good fun, and good entertanment at times! Its like everytime i enter, im opening the front door to a great party of great friends! One corner there might be chat of drag race strategy, the other, some good ole jokes, maybe helping someone out in another, point beeing, there is no other place that really feels like my home than here where i can have it all...Havin your cake and eating it too! So....McSwains, Mod's, Members, Friends, Noob's, All of us...We have (IMO) the best thing going since sliced bread and were not turning back!
Quotes I idealize with
"The glass might only be half full at times, but least it has ice"
"Reach for the sky cause tomorrow may never come"
Thanks a Bunch!~
Chris "mouse" Krueger:hug::beer
Thank you for a great site, Im here nearly every day and for a good hunk of my time too! Why? Because i LOVE it! Its good friends, good family, good tech, good fun, and good entertanment at times! Its like everytime i enter, im opening the front door to a great party of great friends! One corner there might be chat of drag race strategy, the other, some good ole jokes, maybe helping someone out in another, point beeing, there is no other place that really feels like my home than here where i can have it all...Havin your cake and eating it too! So....McSwains, Mod's, Members, Friends, Noob's, All of us...We have (IMO) the best thing going since sliced bread and were not turning back!
Quotes I idealize with
"The glass might only be half full at times, but least it has ice"
"Reach for the sky cause tomorrow may never come"
Thanks a Bunch!~
Chris "mouse" Krueger
:hug::beer