DieselPlace.com - Open Letter:

ruffmanatv

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May 9, 2008
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Here is what Tom had to say.

"IMO, what the DP Staff did to Pat and Kat in regards to their video link being removed from their Bonneville record thread simply because their website name is advertised ON THEIR TRUCK was heavy handed and rude.

IMO, the Place today has the responsibility to the entire Duramax community to allow members to post achievements and pertinent information regarding Duramax performance and reliability, irregardless of where that info originally comes from. In my 5 years on this board, I've come to see that any major upgrades developed for the Dmax have been shown here first, or they show up shortly afterward. No other form of media can boast that.

Look, I understand that, years ago, Chad and Nick added the "no competing website links allowed" to the site rules because the Place was still "competing" for members with other GM Diesel sites. They didnt want to lose people to other sites. The old Staff here was very zealous in this regard, to the determent of the Place in general.
Fast forward to the present. The Place is larger than any other GM Diesel site, and has turned into an on-line encyclopedia for info regarding the Duramax engine and the GM HD truck line. No other GM Diesel truck website can match this site for the sheer amount of information and knowledge that it has. I know this from experience. All the other GM Diesel websites will never be able to match this site for all its info, so the Place has no peer in the Dmax website world to be "afraid" of anymore.

IMO, its time for the "competing website" link ban to be removed, except for out-and-out spamming by the other website. There is no need for it to be so "total" any more. Its one thing when information about an accomplishment or breakthrough is posted. This should be allowed. Its another when a non-S/V starts posting his/her products in the tech forums, and that should be dealt with.
Censorship has cost this site many a valuable member in the past. Staff bias toward one vendor over another in certain subjects also contributed to the deletion of valuable information that EVERYONE here may be able to use.

In the case of Pat and Kat, they are/were not coming to the Place stating, "Come join our website to see what we did!" They were not openly advertising their website. Their video was not an advertisement for their site, either.
They were, as they always have, doing something to further Duramax performance in general by showing what one family can do when they have a goal and determination. I can not name any other person/people/family that are bigger Duramax enthusiasts than the McSwain family.

We all have to remember that we all have a common interest in hearing/reading about the latest concerning the Duramax and GM trucks in general. Censoring information just because of "where it came from" or because a Staff member had an issue with a person years ago needs to stop. We are better than that.

PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND PUT THE VIDEO LINK BACK UP."


If you would like more Ray, I will PM them too you.
 

JoshH

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Here is what Tom had to say.

"IMO, what the DP Staff did to Pat and Kat in regards to their video link being removed from their Bonneville record thread simply because their website name is advertised ON THEIR TRUCK was heavy handed and rude.

IMO, the Place today has the responsibility to the entire Duramax community to allow members to post achievements and pertinent information regarding Duramax performance and reliability, irregardless of where that info originally comes from. In my 5 years on this board, I've come to see that any major upgrades developed for the Dmax have been shown here first, or they show up shortly afterward. No other form of media can boast that.

Look, I understand that, years ago, Chad and Nick added the "no competing website links allowed" to the site rules because the Place was still "competing" for members with other GM Diesel sites. They didnt want to lose people to other sites. The old Staff here was very zealous in this regard, to the determent of the Place in general.
Fast forward to the present. The Place is larger than any other GM Diesel site, and has turned into an on-line encyclopedia for info regarding the Duramax engine and the GM HD truck line. No other GM Diesel truck website can match this site for the sheer amount of information and knowledge that it has. I know this from experience. All the other GM Diesel websites will never be able to match this site for all its info, so the Place has no peer in the Dmax website world to be "afraid" of anymore.

IMO, its time for the "competing website" link ban to be removed, except for out-and-out spamming by the other website. There is no need for it to be so "total" any more. Its one thing when information about an accomplishment or breakthrough is posted. This should be allowed. Its another when a non-S/V starts posting his/her products in the tech forums, and that should be dealt with.
Censorship has cost this site many a valuable member in the past. Staff bias toward one vendor over another in certain subjects also contributed to the deletion of valuable information that EVERYONE here may be able to use.

In the case of Pat and Kat, they are/were not coming to the Place stating, "Come join our website to see what we did!" They were not openly advertising their website. Their video was not an advertisement for their site, either.
They were, as they always have, doing something to further Duramax performance in general by showing what one family can do when they have a goal and determination. I can not name any other person/people/family that are bigger Duramax enthusiasts than the McSwain family.

We all have to remember that we all have a common interest in hearing/reading about the latest concerning the Duramax and GM trucks in general. Censoring information just because of "where it came from" or because a Staff member had an issue with a person years ago needs to stop. We are better than that.

PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND PUT THE VIDEO LINK BACK UP."


If you would like more Ray, I will PM them too you.
Who is Tom?
 

McRat

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Aug 2, 2006
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Well, since I can't login there, I can't see it. -- No great loss!

If I understand it right, what's in that thread is a discussion about DieselPlace deleting pictures and videos if the truck has stickers on it with other website names.

What brought it to the forefront was deleting Casper's Bonneville record video.

Betcha they would have left it up if I crashed... :D
 

ruffmanatv

Yeah, its got a D-Max!
May 9, 2008
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If I understand it right, what's in that thread is a discussion about DieselPlace deleting pictures and videos if the truck has stickers on it with other website names.

What brought it to the forefront was deleting Casper's Bonneville record video.

Betcha they would have left it up if I crashed... :D

You are correct, Pat. And yeah I bet if you wrecked they would have left it up too. But, thank god that did not happen.
 

GMC_2002_Dmax

The Still Master
Who is Tom?

TheBAC,

Tom Bacon, UPS Driver from Michigan.

He was a Limited Vendor and was selling cabin filter retrofit kits.

He is close to Merchant Auto and helps out at the Spring Fling, a real nice guy.

He is holding out some hope that AF is as caring about members being happy they are about milking the site for every last cent they can get out of it.

The DP is forever changed and the new motto is Ban dissent, Ban those who question the powers that be, Ban those who don't or won't pay the piper, basically run it like Communist China or the old Soviet Empire.

:eek:

Without members its just an empty "place"

:D

On EDIT:

What I still do not understand is why anyone would want to be a MOD there, unless they are using their power to leverage their own free swag now that Nick and Chad are out of the swag line..........
 
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MACKIN

Smell My Finger...
Aug 14, 2006
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Who's Chad? The young gun who never worked for a living and his mommy ran away with the purse full of Duramax parts money? :D

Nick is only a token of a admin now strictly there to keeps the likes of the Mcswain's away. :rofl:

The NEW owners along with the staff no nothing.

Hey it is what it is. It will be there long after we are all gone for future tech informations for all the Johnny come lately. It wont be fixed it wont be back it's history.

Forgetaboutit!
 

GMC_2002_Dmax

The Still Master
Who's Chad? The young gun who never worked for a living and his mommy ran away with the purse full of Duramax parts money? :D

Nick is only a token of a admin now strictly there to keeps the likes of the Mcswain's away. :rofl:

The NEW owners along with the staff no nothing.

Hey it is what it is. It will be there long after we are all gone for future tech informations for all the Johnny come lately. It wont be fixed it wont be back it's history.

Forgetaboutit!

You wanna take a bet that any banned member/vendor would be welcomed back with open arms over Nick's objections if they paid the price for Admission.......:eek:.........Ad Money is all they care about, more so then Nick's little vendetta's against old members...........:rofl:

Last I heard Chad is selling everything and looking for another Do-Nothing/Pays-Good Job...........:hello:

Must suck to have to work now and not have that DP Cash rolling in, hopefully he didn't invest in Merril Lynch, Lehman Brothers, or Fannie/Freddie stock.........:D
 

MACKIN

Smell My Finger...
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On EDIT:

What I still do not understand is why anyone would want to be a MOD there, unless they are using their power to leverage their own free swag now that Nick and Chad are out of the swag line..........


Me thinks because it's gone corporate they think that they will get a paycheck. Either that or they just want recognition for being part of a big diesel site.

To late the glory days are gone. But they can look like bigshots to newbies! :D
 

juddski88

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Jul 1, 2008
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I read it, and Tom "thebac" did a great job of sticking it to the owners/admins all while being courteous to the mod(s) and not getting banned. it is excellent wording and good-hearted opinions that makes these forums fun to read.
 

MACKIN

Smell My Finger...
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In honor of this thread I have put a avatar up so you peeps that feel like your not at HOME will feel much better! :rofl:
 

GMC_2002_Dmax

The Still Master
Me thinks because it's gone corporate they think that they will get a paycheck. Either that or they just want recognition for being part of a big diesel site.

To late the glory days are gone. But they can look like bigshots to newbies! :D

How quickly Nick forgot "WHO" helped him start/run it and that was a lot of how it got to where it was........and is......hmmmmmmmm.

:rolleyes:
 

GMC_2002_Dmax

The Still Master
I should make a post in that thread:

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tom i think it has alot more to do with the actual name in the picture/video than it does the business. had it been "blows super salt racing diesel performance" it would had stayed there. but because it said mcrat racing it got scrapped.
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They think they can ban people..............;)

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
 
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No,that was Wade at ATS :rolleyes:. Chad is probably about the same though.

If you want to complain then get off your butt and help some of us new Mods out and quit complaining. You and plenty of other staff resigned and caused the first issue over there so give me a break.


Who's Chad? The young gun who never worked for a living and his mommy ran away with the purse full of Duramax parts money? :D

Nick is only a token of a admin now strictly there to keeps the likes of the Mcswain's away. :rofl:

The NEW owners along with the staff no nothing.

Hey it is what it is. It will be there long after we are all gone for future tech informations for all the Johnny come lately. It wont be fixed it wont be back it's history.

Forgetaboutit!
 

JOHNBOY

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No,that was Wade at ATS :rolleyes:. Chad is probably about the same though.

If you want to complain then get off your butt and help some of us new Mods out and quit complaining. You and plenty of other staff resigned and caused the first issue over there so give me a break.


The first issue is why they resigned. Not because they resigned.;)