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plowboy_lbz

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By factory control I mean how it acts with no box installed. It's supposed to lock in 2nd gr but they never seem to do what they are supposed to depending on power level and convertor type. This is why we all want lock up control, right? No it doesn't auto unlock, it is full manual control when the switch is in manual mode. There are no questions, you flip the switch and hold on. I absolutely love it on the dyno because it doesn't time out and unlock the convertor when you are in the middle of a wide open pull at 1100+hp is not a pretty thing:mad: My BT box was really good at that which is not a good thing.

I thought the bt box auto unlocked to protect the box from over heating?? As with the bt box I like the "auto mode" of locking the converter in 2nd when under wot, rather than having to flip a switch. When your dragging or pulling there are a lot of things going on, so not having to flip a switch to lock and unlock sounds appealing, but is it worth the extra $150?

Edit: You just can't have your cake and eat it too!!
 

05Monsterdmax

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Went to order one a few weeks ago before I realized it wasn't made for the 5speeds yet. First I had seen of it, darn good price to. I've looked at bens for the last year, yet to dump 5 bones on it. Just can't justify it.
 

DBUSHLB7

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Nice to see the end user (us) benefiting from the competition to build the best box. Dimitri has been testing the new Co-Pilot/Lock up box combo for a while now. Supposedly the feedback is good. Hasn't hit the market yet as they are still dealing with some check engine light issues.

Reguardless of which box... Just nice to see so many getting in the game to drive good business competition!
 

duratothemax

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Guys its nothing more than 2 double-pole toggle switches. I mean hell Ill tell you how to make that with parts from radio shack for $7.99. :rolleyes:

The issue that concerns me (and you can decide if these issues are important to you or not, im not trying to tell you to buy mine and not Tony's) is there is *zero* safety built into Tony's box. It doesnt monitor brake pedal switch status, current gear, vehicle speed, or throttle position. Its the equivalent of the toggle switch that the cummins guys put on their trucks. Because thats all it is. A toggle switch. Mine is fully computerized and monitors many different aspects, and is "smart" in every sense of the word....which is why mine is more expensive.

So if you leave one of Tony's controllers force-locked, and hit the brakes, the truck is going to keep going. Maybe that wont be a problem on a back country road, but what if you have to stop short to keep from hitting that little old lady crossing the road in front of you... (ok sorry I had to be cliche)

Or how about at speed on the highway, some knuckle-dragger cuts you off and you have to slam on the brakes. At higher speeds with quick braking, the engine probably wont be able to push the truck through the brakes with a locked converter, so the opposite happens. The engine stalls. These trucks are hard enough to stop and maneuver with power steering and power brakes WORKING. Neither of those luxuries exist when the engine is shut off.

Tony's lockup controller isnt hands-free. You have to reach clear across to the other side of the dash and flip the toggle switch. I could barely focus on doing anything else years back when I used to race my truck. And that was slow-ass mid 12's. I couldnt imagine having to reach over and flip the "lock" toggle switch if I was pulling 1.5x 60' times and running 11's or faster.

Thats a total misnomer, Tony labeling his switch "manual/auto". Its not "auto"...I dont know if hes deliberately trying to mis-lead people into thinking it has some sort of "auto lockup" mode or if it was a genuine mistake....but the correct labeling for the switch on tony's box should be "manual/factory".

And because there is no smooth PWM ramp-up, lockup will be rather harsh. I would be careful using it with big power on stock hard parts.

No PWM also means the solenoid sees 100% duty cycle whenever you have it manually force-locked. Which will eventually burn out the TCC solenoid.

The reason mine "times out" after 15 seconds and returns back to factory, is to lessen the chance of it setting a code if you accidentally leave it force-locked and forget about it. If anyone wants that feature disabled, I can do that for you.

Ben
 

Balindir

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I have it in my truck and love it!!! The auto is factory control of convertor and when you flip it to manual you then have complete full control of the lock up! It is all or nothing with no worries if it is going to do its job or not. Have it in some sled pullers also with great success! :thumb:

How long have you been running DHD's switch in your truck? It will be interesting to see how long you TCC solenoid lasts...
 

Evan@InglewoodTrans

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Guys its nothing more than 2 double-pole toggle switches. I mean hell Ill tell you how to make that with parts from radio shack for $7.99. :rolleyes:

The issue that concerns me (and you can decide if these issues are important to you or not, im not trying to tell you to buy mine and not Tony's) is there is *zero* safety built into Tony's box. It doesnt monitor brake pedal switch status, current gear, vehicle speed, or throttle position. Its the equivalent of the toggle switch that the cummins guys put on their trucks. Because thats all it is. A toggle switch. Mine is fully computerized and monitors many different aspects, and is "smart" in every sense of the word....which is why mine is more expensive.

So if you leave one of Tony's controllers force-locked, and hit the brakes, the truck is going to keep going. Maybe that wont be a problem on a back country road, but what if you have to stop short to keep from hitting that little old lady crossing the road in front of you... (ok sorry I had to be cliche)

Or how about at speed on the highway, some knuckle-dragger cuts you off and you have to slam on the brakes. At higher speeds with quick braking, the engine probably wont be able to push the truck through the brakes with a locked converter, so the opposite happens. The engine stalls. These trucks are hard enough to stop and maneuver with power steering and power brakes WORKING. Neither of those luxuries exist when the engine is shut off.

Tony's lockup controller isnt hands-free. You have to reach clear across to the other side of the dash and flip the toggle switch. I could barely focus on doing anything else years back when I used to race my truck. And that was slow-ass mid 12's. I couldnt imagine having to reach over and flip the "lock" toggle switch if I was pulling 1.5x 60' times and running 11's or faster.

Thats a total misnomer, Tony labeling his switch "manual/auto". Its not "auto"...I dont know if hes deliberately trying to mis-lead people into thinking it has some sort of "auto lockup" mode or if it was a genuine mistake....but the correct labeling for the switch on tony's box should be "manual/factory".

And because there is no smooth PWM ramp-up, lockup will be rather harsh. I would be careful using it with big power on stock hard parts.

No PWM also means the solenoid sees 100% duty cycle whenever you have it manually force-locked. Which will eventually burn out the TCC solenoid.

The reason mine "times out" after 15 seconds and returns back to factory, is to lessen the chance of it setting a code if you accidentally leave it force-locked and forget about it. If anyone wants that feature disabled, I can do that for you.

Ben


Well I guess I'll take the instructions for the radio shack lock up controller then :D
 

Tony Burkhard

Allseason Diesel Per.
Bens controller does exactly as he says it does. not taking anything away from his. My lockup is for competition only... I sell and have used Bens box in my pulling truck untill it started unlocking and locking by itself going down the track and cost me a few wins. I had trouble finding the small buttons when pulling and didnt get the buttons pushed till it was too late so thats why i have a big knob that i can flip without even looking. With the BT I had a delayed lockup of about 1 second and unlock delay of 1 second and it was too hard to anticipate when it was going to unlock. Again this is to be only used for competition only. Some pulling trucks using the smart BT lockup would hit some bumps on the pulling track and the brake pedal would bounce and trip out the lockup, you could see what happened when the brake light would flicker. BT has all the safety built in for a daily driver and still would recommend the BT box.

I have had all the pulling trucks in our area have (besides my truck) using my set up all last pulling season and i dont think you could get any of them to change.

Cant say it enough.. mine is strickly competition use only.

Sorry Ben but didnt like the mislead coment... I think all my customers will tell you that i never try to mislead them... and at anytime i can be contacted by my cell phone, email and pm's.

If your using it for DD use the BT.
 
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plowboy_lbz

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Thanks for clearing the waters Tony and Ben. Why don't you guys get together and take the pro's from both boxes and make a superior box? :hug:
 

country lbz

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Ill say one thing. Tony is a stand up guy in my opinion. Laying all the facts out like that. I appreciate the honesty from both parties. (Ben and Tony)