What does it cost to build a World Record Breaker Motor?
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Hmmmmm.....do I want one set of rods for my dmax, or a whole forged rotating assembly for my big block....lol that's why I'm turning the diesel down and building a C10
Dan...."slow twin turbo truck"?
.......Salesman should use proper terminology if you're gonna talk trash. Try slow COMPOUND turbo truck!
Is my 5200' elevation 113 MPH run good for an 11 at PPSealevel? Last I checked a stock GM bottom end and a full weight truck in the 11s ain't slow.
.......Salesman should use proper terminology if you're gonna talk trash. Try slow COMPOUND turbo truck!
Is my 5200' elevation 113 MPH run good for an 11 at PPSealevel? Last I checked a stock GM bottom end and a full weight truck in the 11s ain't slow.
Dan was talking about my truck Damian, I am assuming though :rofl:
Was this engine a genuine socal built engine, or was just machine work done, assembled by PPE? If I listed something for sale for that much money, I'd put every detail in the post, no one cares about world record setting engine, IMHO.. :thumb:
Was this engine a genuine socal built engine, or was just machine work done, assembled by PPE? If I listed something for sale for that much money, I'd put every detail in the post, no one cares about world record setting engine, IMHO.. :thumb:
Jury still out on spraying the piss out of that motor? Brian maybe he was talking to you....don't you have crappy BW turbos too lmao
Are twins not two turbos that are the same size? Do human twins have the same DNA? Lets define the word Twin and go from there....
Twins are two babies who are carried during the same term. Have you never seen twins where one was a boy and the other was a girl? They are commonly called fraternal twins. They come from two separate eggs that are fertilized individually. Identical twins come from the same egg that splits.
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I'm confused..........I have a little time spent on dyno's, not much time really........:hug:...........and average loss thru the drivetrain isn't 20% of you HP/TQ it's around 65HP/100TQ on a stock LB7, on my LBZ IIRC it made just about 290HP/525TQ on a SuperFlow so 65-70HP/125TQ as a drivetrain loss.
So your stating that your loss is 500HP thru the drivetrain ???
Just looking to get some clarification.
BTW............good luck with the sale
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Fraternal twins= a big turbo and a small turbo? Does the word compound describe the physics of how the turbos work together?
There are boy and girl twins. One of them has something the other doesn't.:roflmao:
Yes it does. I call all turbo setups with two turbos twins. There are three ways to do it that I know of, parallel, sequential, and compound.
Couple things here just cause that is the price breakdown does not mean it is not ridiculous. Can u say overprice! Most of these parts r ridiculously overpriced. I understand research and development costs but when is enough enough
And on a different note. I sure hope this is not the first twin engine that Ppe did in the black dmax back in I think 2010. Cause I heard from a very reliable source that during testing it had a failure and im pretty sure parts were just swapped out rather than a complete tear down and inspection.i think that puts it at about scrap price in my book. And scrap is down right now
And on a different note. I sure hope this is not the first twin engine that Ppe did in the black dmax back in I think 2010. Cause I heard from a very reliable source that during testing it had a failure and im pretty sure parts were just swapped out rather than a complete tear down and inspection.i think that puts it at about scrap price in my book. And scrap is down right now
What kind of Junk turbos and fueling are you going to get for 10k?:roflmao:
Just the two Garrett Ball bearing turbos used in this kit are $7000. This is not including the install kit, waste-gate, manifolds and up-pipes, coolant tank, inter-cooler and ++ :hello:
Ok let’s use the engine you listed as an example with retail pricing....
So.... Stage 2 engine $18,400 PLUS CORE
PPE Twin turbo package std Big kit $15,500.
This kit has a second waste-gate on it they are about $550.00 plus the fab work to install it, lets call it $700.00 total
So just right here we are at $34,600.
BUT WAIT! We still don't have any fuel to drive this beast, So.....
Dual Cp3 kit with second pump $2350.00
Custom Injectors/Tips (balanced, custom tips) $2500.00-$3000
Misc fittings, feed line kits, $100
Now we are at $39,800.
OPP's! Almost forgot the removal/install of all the parts on the engine (this engine is drop-in ready)
Custom down pipe (custom for each truck engine year) to exhaust (not hood stack like Dmitri's)
All fuel lines (Feeds, plug and Play) custom.
I am going to be very conservative on the labor (I was quoted 3.5-4 full days) as there is a lot of custom parts so this kit will drop in and these big kits usually do not keep the AC (not normally kept in a race app) This one does...
$1500-$2000 (it should be $2660+)
So I'm SURE i'm forgetting some stuff but this should get us close at $41,450. (Mackin, take you shoe’s off and use your toes if needed or just use a calculator)
This is not including the GOLD PLATING and World Record Status…. Like someone said be for that HAS to be worth 10K…….
Bingo!!! :thumb:
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Please show me how you came up with these numbers?
So are SLOW twin turbo trucks.....
New over 15K.....
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Jess, Not around here.....
maybe you should call Guy and complain then....
Does it include 2 ball Bearing Garrett Turbo's? How about mani and up-pipes? Intercooler?
I checked his site and the PBK is $2600 and the 475 is just over $1000, So $3600 in turbos... One of the Garretts is more expensive then both of the turbos he uses...
I am not saying there is anything wrong with his kit or the turbos he uses. This is just an example bases upon your comment.....
So if we take the $3400 left over from the price of BOTH Garretts
Trents kit is $8200
Garrett upgrade diff $3400
Mani and upipes $1299
HD intercooler (not our std one) $1700
if you need to take you shoe's off now is the time....
for a total of $14,599.......:hug:
Thanks!
Maybe you need to remove your shoe's too????
Ok lets use your numbers as an example..... so you are saying a stock LB7 that makes 310 crank horsepower and makes about 245 RWHP??? That is just about what we see here at the shop (actually 248 rwhp) so I am good with your numbers...
Let do the math....
310/20%=62
310-62= 248 RWHP or a 20% loss.... or in your case a 21% loss...
This math even work with your LBZ numbers.....
BUT guess what happens when you quadruple (or even more) power output to the rear wheels? Drive train loss DOES NOT STAY AT 20%...
If you cant afford it I understand. It's no biggie to me or the shop if it does not sell as we have plans for if it does not sell... But it someone wants a bit of diesel history then so be it....
No this engine was built a few months ago "special" for this record attempt.
Carefull where you get your info from and what you post a fact.... Yes you are correct the Black truck that was done years ago did break a piston (after the customer took delivery of the truck and put 5-10K miles on it (maybe more, dont recall but it was a lot of miles in the little time he had it back) The engine was removed from the truck and gone through and parts upgraded.. Not just swapped out....Dont think these two build are even close to the same as they are not... The last time I spoke to the customer and his dealer the truck was running great and had a good amount of miles on it.:thumb:
I don't want to get into a pissing match with anyone on here so ............( just saying this before someone attacks ) but there is no comparison to the twin kits that are being built and this particular setup that is on the motor in question . I have installed , used , beat on just about every single one made and have in fact purchased the exact twin setup that is on this motor. The attention to detail and fitment and just plain old nice ass parts is second to none!! Yes, one could say that PPE's catalog is just filled with over priced parts and kits , but I can guarantee if you seen or even bought one of these kits , you would understand where the money is at .........it's like the old saying goes You get what you pay for
What is the reason for liquid cooled ball bearing turbos that can support 1500hp vs journal bearing turbos that can support 1500hp other than the price difference?
Ball bearing turbos spool faster/harder (once it lights, they light quick) and spool rpm is reduced. They also last a lot longer and take more abuse (hot shut downs, over speeding) they are just all around better turbos. However the down side is the cost, almost double (some times more) what a journal bearing turbo does. But a ball bearing Garrett USUALLY lasts 2-3 longer then a journal bearing. The cost is negligible over the life of the turbo...