LB7: Up pipes worth the money?
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Lol for $1000+ I doubt I'll run different. I don't think it will make a thousand dollar difference. I'll drop EGT's with injectables for a fraction of the price.
Yay for built motors and stock bolt ons!
So the consensus is, up pipes yes, down pipe not so much?
What up pipes do you all recommend for a max'ed out stock turbo setup?
What up pipes do you all recommend for a max'ed out stock turbo setup?
Which one out of the six different combinations they offer?
Speaking of "ProFab" I ordered an LB7 downpipe and received one with an "Insyrator" logo (spelling could be off). It didn't fit and I had to send it back.
Speaking of "ProFab" I ordered an LB7 downpipe and received one with an "Insyrator" logo (spelling could be off). It didn't fit and I had to send it back.
IMHO...
Up pipes are worth the money, just the up pipes..
Not saying I do not like my PPE manifolds/up pipes, but I was expecting more, and IMO, their not all that cracked up to be. I blew out an up pipe bellow, and it was a good excuse to upgrade while I had everything apart, and getting screwed by ATS.
Definately not a eye opener, but did help idle EGT's, and WOT a little bit.
Its been proven stock manifolds get the job done, and I highly doubt stock manifolds will cause an issue like their said to.
Just my take on it
Up pipes are worth the money, just the up pipes..
Not saying I do not like my PPE manifolds/up pipes, but I was expecting more, and IMO, their not all that cracked up to be. I blew out an up pipe bellow, and it was a good excuse to upgrade while I had everything apart, and getting screwed by ATS.
Definately not a eye opener, but did help idle EGT's, and WOT a little bit.
Its been proven stock manifolds get the job done, and I highly doubt stock manifolds will cause an issue like their said to.
Just my take on it
IMHO...
Up pipes are worth the money, just the up pipes..
Not saying I do not like my PPE manifolds/up pipes, but I was expecting more, and IMO, their not all that cracked up to be. I blew out an up pipe bellow, and it was a good excuse to upgrade while I had everything apart, and getting screwed by ATS.
Definately not a eye opener, but did help idle EGT's, and WOT a little bit.
Its been proven stock manifolds get the job done, and I highly doubt stock manifolds will cause an issue like their said to.
Just my take on it
pretty much sums up my take on it also
Have aftermarket up-pipes proven to be more reliable/durable in hi drive pressure/high EGT situations?
I have seen several sets of blown apart stockers lately from trucks running small single turbos that run high drive pressure. It would be nice if the aftermarket ones hold up better.
I know when they were first introduced they didn't seem to be as reliable as stock up-pipes.
I have seen several sets of blown apart stockers lately from trucks running small single turbos that run high drive pressure. It would be nice if the aftermarket ones hold up better.
I know when they were first introduced they didn't seem to be as reliable as stock up-pipes.
IMHO...
Up pipes are worth the money, just the up pipes..
Not saying I do not like my PPE manifolds/up pipes, but I was expecting more, and IMO, their not all that cracked up to be. I blew out an up pipe bellow, and it was a good excuse to upgrade while I had everything apart, and getting screwed by ATS.
Definately not a eye opener, but did help idle EGT's, and WOT a little bit.
Its been proven stock manifolds get the job done, and I highly doubt stock manifolds will cause an issue like their said to.
Just my take on it
I have to disagree with this. I have personal experience on multiple failures of the stock parts, Here is a pic.
I have replaced the stock uppipe a few times with new stock parts and this is what happens, even stretched the other side a few times and cracked a few manifolds.
They work fine for mild applications but over time they WILL NOT hold up.
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We have thoroughly tested our up pipes/manifolds in many applications (twin turbo, small single, large single, High egts and CRAZY high drive pressures) without one failure of them. There is no other company that offers a bellow that is of the quality of ours (Military aircraft grade). Our’s might be a little more expensive but "you get what you pay for".
Have you ever seen a stock manifold crack somewhere other then where it was drilled and tapped?
I have seen several blown up-pipes like that. Almost all of them come off of trucks with PPE turbo kits using a Garret "40" series turbo. I'm not blaming PPE at all, but I don't think the 40 series is large enough on the exhaust side to keep drive pressure in check.
How do the aftermarket up-pipes work in this application? Lets say 100 psi of drive and 1900-2000* EGT?
No I have not seen them fail (other than drilled and tapped).
The stock manifold is a reliable design (Not a high performance design) and work well for mild to med HP output.
If you are spending tens of thousands of dollars on a build would you keep the stock mani's and uppipes? I hope not. Most people spend that kind of money to build a RELAIBLE HI OUTPUT engine and want to MAXIMIZE each of the components they spent big money on.
Design+materials+flow+reliablity=PPE manifolds and uppipes!
Gentlmen, We can not get ahead of our selves. I have an o3 lb7 dmax and when I bought the standard 3 inch down pipe I was also thinking how is this supposed to flow more? So we got to testing. I am an ag teacher at Snake River Highschool in Blackfoot Idaho. so I had some equipment and trucks at my disposal. We took two identicle trucks, mine and one of my students wich also was strait piped, and had a cold air intake. I had installed my 3" down pipe and he still has the stocker. We hooked a flow meter up in the exhaust line. I was amazed at the results. The stocker dp may looker bigger, but it does not flow as much as a simple 3 inch down pipe. Egts were also 50-75 degrees cooler with the 3" dp. We figured that the reason why is becuase the exhaust wants to expand, and it is allowed to right after it leaves the turbo on a stocker, but then has to recompress when it gets pinched to go around the dipstick and fire wall. this caused flow problems and turbulance as the exhaust is now trying to figure out where to go. on the strait flow dp it just expands down and out the pipe creating more flow, thus better turbo wind, and cooler egts. So, looking bigger does not always mean everything. In IMO it is well worth the money for a regular 3" down pipe.
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I can tell you also that my up pipes have dyno'd 15-25 hp on several stock lly's way back when I first designed them.
Design+materials+flow+reliability+experience = ProFab products!
Design+materials+flow+reliability+experience = ProFab products!
Gonna high jack a second. Is changing down pipes really hard on an LMM with the tranny dropped? I've had a MBRP dp for months and haven't changed it because I've heard it almost impossible? What's ur thoughts ?