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JakeBrakeIH

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Loaded for home.. 525-60t4
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Always enjoy seeing your photos, but I must ask. Most of the pics you post, I say to myself that I would have the load father back onto the trailer. Just curious, do you think the extra pin weight helps you seeing your a 3500 minus the bed? My back hurts just looking at your pics from my experience with my 25+5 Kaufman.

Speaking of which, the pictures I posted above with the small New Holland, that was the smoothest I ever had my trailer ride. Long story short, it was kind of a fluke finding out it rode smoother backwards. Truck felt solid, trailer towed straight as an arrow and it was like riding in a caddy? :confused: Didn't know how much of a roll pin weight, vs truck configuration you found in your experience seeing you have had a lot of different loads on your trailer.
 

malibu795

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Always enjoy seeing your photos, but I must ask. Most of the pics you post, I say to myself that I would have the load father back onto the trailer. Just curious, do you think the extra pin weight helps you seeing your a 3500 minus the bed? My back hurts just looking at your pics from my experience with my 25+5 Kaufman.

Speaking of which, the pictures I posted above with the small New Holland, that was the smoothest I ever had my trailer ride. Long story short, it was kind of a fluke finding out it rode smoother backwards. Truck felt solid, trailer towed straight as an arrow and it was like riding in a caddy? :confused: Didn't know how much of a roll pin weight, vs truck configuration you found in your experience seeing you have had a lot of different loads on your trailer.

Every truck/trailer combination has a "sweet spot"
The sweet spot for the rear axle of my dually is the frame about ~31-32" from ground to top of frame over the axle.. On average Weight wise that's ~7-8000lb axle gross or 4-5000# pin load..pending load foot print in the trailer.. I have more weight and ride just fine I've had ~6500lb with 20,000lbs of hay spread out over the entire deck.

The other sweet spot is the trailer.. The problem with trailer is the weight wants to move up/down independent of trailer axle and rear axle of the truck.. Turns the trailer into a wave like a wet noddle. Place weight in wrong/right spot and you have two completely different ride qualities on same road.. Kauffman's lack of bridge options doesn't help much.. Hence I ended up taking 2x2" .25" wall square tube and making a bridge and tieing it into the front part of the neck's vertical beams.
I went from 6000lbs dead center between axles/pin with 1.5-2" negative bow to 8,000lb same spot and ~1/8" negative bow. Also noticed trailer started turning/pivoting between the tandems vs on the leading
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Also less tilt back from the neck while loaded

The crossman is 5' longer iirc tandems are 6' farther back then the Kauffman. I've put 8,000lbs dead center. To see the bow.. You have to look down the corner of the trailer to see it. And neck you can't see any noticeable flex.. I'm sure there is some I just haven't taken a square to it to find it..

The trailer had 12,000lb on her.. You can see little bow in the beam.. This is also.before I tied the neck into it
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How I tied the bridge to the neck. Empty the clearance between the tube and C channel on the neck was 1/8" gap.. Loaded it would grow up to 1/2-3/4" gap pending weight
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Another issue I had was slop in the coupler itself. Jam nut would work lose and result in ~1/8" F/R play in the coupler.. The bucking from that was enough to mess with the P2 braking which in turn compounds the problem.. Ripped a neck because of the severity of it..
Basically I bought some 5-6" long 5/8" grade 5 bolts. Loosened the jam nut, chocked the tires, idled forward agianst the chocks. Then drilled the holes. 1/4", 7/16" 5/8" steps. Problem fixed. Do it again I'd match the bolt holes with the holes in the male coupler.
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JakeBrakeIH

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The other sweet spot is the trailer.. The problem with trailer is the weight wants to move up/down independent of trailer axle and rear axle of the truck.. Turns the trailer into a wave like a wet noddle. Place weight in wrong/right spot and you have two completely different ride qualities on same road.. Kauffman's lack of bridge options doesn't help much..

I can defiantly agree with the "wet noodle" lol. I was gun shy of having my load so far back being nervous of course of lack of pin weight, but also I had noticed that the neck would twist quite a bit back and forth (left to right) and I had contributed it to not having enough weight on the tongue.

When I towed that small NH tractor, I almost felt that I could feel the trailer suspension working a lot more than what I am used it. Usually going over a rough bridge, when the leading trailer axle crossed the bump it felt like zero suspension. That load it was as if I had air ride lol. I am anxious to move that red Case IH again soon and try loading it backwards to see how it rides vs forwards? :confused:

Thanks again for your detailed reply!
 

lts1ow

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14 hours later and made it to Kentucky. Navigator and I had a miscommunication and we ended up in the hills of WV. Good lord :(
 

malibu795

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I can defiantly agree with the "wet noodle" lol. I was gun shy of having my load so far back being nervous of course of lack of pin weight, but also I had noticed that the neck would twist quite a bit back and forth (left to right) and I had contributed it to not having enough weight on the tongue.

When I towed that small NH tractor, I almost felt that I could feel the trailer suspension working a lot more than what I am used it. Usually going over a rough bridge, when the leading trailer axle crossed the bump it felt like zero suspension. That load it was as if I had air ride lol. I am anxious to move that red Case IH again soon and try loading it backwards to see how it rides vs forwards? :confused:

Thanks again for your detailed reply!
Idk how long your chains are.. Spreading the tie downs out farther will help stiffen the trailer
 

pgr11

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About to head out with the new to me trailer. Going to mammoth, CA do a long weekend. It will be the first time pulling the trailer and the biggest I've ever pulled. 32' Fleetwood. Any tips?
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lts1ow

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Told ya so... :roflmao:

Truck convinced the navigator she wanted to flex her muscles lol

Coming home is Def through PA, first time we hit a 7% grade was interesting.. Never heard it engine brake so high before. Nj has some mole Hills at best lol
 

Awenta

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Fuel filter changed and another an extra one board just in case. I have ppe 90hp tune in right now. Thinking that should be OK for the trip. Any opinion?
Built Trans?

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Pure Diesel

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I would back the power down. You will test the tranny going up the Sherwin grade with that power and the trailer. Take it easy going up the grade.
I'll be up there in a week and a half. Going to camp at East Fork out of Tom's Place.
What part of Mammoth you visiting?
 

pgr11

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I would back the power down. You will test the tranny going up the Sherwin grade with that power and the trailer. Take it easy going up the grade.
I'll be up there in a week and a half. Going to camp at East Fork out of Tom's Place.
What part of Mammoth you visiting?
Going to upper soda springs. My parents are there now so we decided to head up for the weekend. I can back it down to tune 1 which is the 50 HP tune
 

Pure Diesel

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Should be nice. Water levels still aren't too bad.
Cheapest place for Diesel, is just outside Olancha at the Indian Casino. Its cheaper that the one in Bishop.
Have a safe trip.
 

pgr11

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Should be nice. Water levels still aren't too bad.
Cheapest place for Diesel, is just outside Olancha at the Indian Casino. Its cheaper that the one in Bishop.
Have a safe trip.
Thanks for the fuel tip. Bishop always seems high. You think the 50 HP tune would be OK or should I go stock?