Stock intake manifold vs. Banks Big Hoss (warning lots of pictures)

jbarker@bankspower

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Hey again guys and gals. I'm getting some questions as to how the stock intake manifold compares to the Banks Big Hoss manifold. I could go on and on about the details but I figured that a picture is worth a thousand words so here's the comparison (if you can really call it that). I do need to point out here that these are for hardcore engine builds ONLY. This is for you guys wanting 1000hp+ without having to run 100psi of boost. This isn't something you can bolt on in an hour for your daily driver. These parts are straight off our drag race/road race trucks.

Ok, here are some shots of the stock intake manifold as it sits on the truck. This is where the boost tube connects coming out of the intercooler:
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All of the air has to pass through the above assembly just to reach the cylinder heads. But trust me it gets worse. After the air gets to the inlet tube the first restriction it reaches is this one:
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This is the inlet tube that attaches to the intake "bridge that connects the two halfs of the engine together. You can plainly see the extremly sharp bend (almost 90 degrees) and below you can see the very sharp diameter change:
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It's also not very large to begin with:
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After that the air reaches the "bridge" where it runs straight into a wall:
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But it still gets worse. Here a side shot if the inside of the intake "bridge" What your seeing here is the flange inside the bridge that supports the intake tube. The air actually has to make a 180 degree turn just to get around it. It's almost like the incoming air has to stop and ask for directions:
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But still, it gets worse!! Here's a shot of the chamber where it attaches to the head. It also begs the question "How expensive can a bolt be?" The answer is "It depends on weather or not it falls out". If you look inside the opening, lower right corner, you can see one of the bolts that holds the chamber on. It's actually inside the chamber. You can also see that where the bridge meets the chamber the air runs into yet ANOTHER wall:
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Here's a shot of the inside. Both chambers are totally different shapes which will greatly cut down the air delivery to the ports. You can also plainly see how small the stock intake chamber port actually is. Remember that the Duramax engine has 2 ports per cylinder and all 8 ports have to get their air through this little thing:
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The Banks solution? Get rid of all of it:
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1/2 Banks 1/2 stock on the engine:
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This manifold does away with ALL of the factory short comings. It has individual intake runners (2 per cylinder), a much larger intake area, very smooth transitions from the chamber to the port, they're o-ring sealed, and has a drasticly higher flow rate over stock. This design will allow you to deliver far higher volumes of air to your cylinder heads (and take better advantage of your port work) without having to run sky high boost pressures. Hope this helps:D
 
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JOHNBOY

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The stock setup is that way because the turbo location. The Big Hoss as wonderful as it looks will require a total relocation of the turbo, some fuel lines, a new or strectch harness and so on.;)
 

MAXLLY

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Maybe a compromise is in the works?

Something between total redo/relocate and the stocker is the best balance for the masses? A large portion of the restriction is between the IC connection and the intake manifold, IMO. If i count right those parts alone account for roughly 280* of bends?

Anything in the works?

I still think that Manifold is dead sexy.
 
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duratothemax

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yeah ok banks thats all fine and dandy. We all realize the stock setup sucks and Im not doubting your gee-whiz setup isnt 100x better, but how does this apply to anyone without a custom tube chassis dmax-powered race car? We are limited/restricted to using the (poor) stock setup because thats the only way it will still fit in a pickup truck with a turbo in the stock location. So why are you trying to sell us something that 99.8% of us dont even have a use for? :rolleyes:


next product please..

Ill leave the ooo-ing and ahh-ing to everyone else.
 
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TheBac

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Your company will actually get my respect if you could ever come up with an alternative to the stock intake manifold setup.

I honestly dont think redesigning the Dmax intake can be done. It would be a minor miracle to balance the size of the ports vs the size available after all the extra casting work is done. Sheetmetal?

Would it help to add a rounded plenum divider to the inside of the bridge to move the air more smoothly to each side?
 
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ChevyDieselLLY

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looks awesome but like whats been said id like to keep a turbo in the stock location and i dont have the money to buy something like that. is VERY cool looking tho.
 

03 D-max

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I would love to see these clowns run their drag vehicles without Nitrous and see what they run and how much smoke they make. :rofl::eek:
just because they have a nitrous setup and not just huge chargers is no reason to bash the company man
 

MMLMM

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Ok, so are you guys making a cowl induction hood too?

What about the plumbing to the "new" manifolds?

Where does my turbo go?

Yes, looks good but doesn't apply to me. After I buy a house and pay my truck off, I'll see it I can use it.

:D
 

jbarker@bankspower

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yeah ok banks thats all fine and dandy. We all realize the stock setup sucks and Im not doubting your gee-whiz setup isnt 100x better, but how does this apply to anyone without a custom tube chassis dmax-powered race car? We are limited/restricted to using the (poor) stock setup because thats the only way it will still fit in a pickup truck with a turbo in the stock location. So why are you trying to sell us something that 99.8% of us dont even have a use for? :rolleyes:


next product please..

Ill leave the ooo-ing and ahh-ing to everyone else.

This is for the hardcore drag racer or truck puller only. If your incapable of building an engine that can take advantage of these manifolds then they are obviously not for you.
 

jbarker@bankspower

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Ok, so are you guys making a cowl induction hood too?
Don't need it. They fit without it.

What about the plumbing to the "new" manifolds?
That's up to you. It depends on where you put your turbo(s).
Where does my turbo go?
Anywhere you want. It's your truck:D
Yes, looks good but doesn't apply to me. After I buy a house and pay my truck off, I'll see it I can use it.

:D
Hardcore engine builds ONLY. Definately not for the bolt on crowd.
 

jbarker@bankspower

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I was just giving you a hard time :D
One day I'll be calling you for something like this.

Hows the flex plate coming I'm "on the list for"?

They had to make some changes to it. Mike L. has dibs on the first one though.:D
 
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