SPA gauges

JustinD

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Nov 21, 2008
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A friend of mine's girlfriend asked me what gauges to buy her boyfriend for his 06 LBZ with a 71mm FPE Cheetah on it, I had been running my SPA gauge that I bought from Kennedy Diesel for a few years and I loved it, so thats what I suggested, she went ahead and bought him the gauge and he installed it in his truck, fast foward about 3 weeks, he calls me and says hey man my turbo is making crazy noises, I said of course its a Cheetah LOL, next day he says, yep found that crazy noise............................it was the probe from my new gauge, it ended up in my exhaust housing!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:. He calls Kennedy who has him contact SPA direct, SPA resonds with we will send it to our manufacture and see what they say, he then gets a response from SPA saying its his fault he installed in correctly :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: He has ATS manifolds with bungs!!!!!!! I have a gauge and have recommended this gauge to many people but now I will make sure myself or anyone who asks my preferences knows that SPA wouldn't make good on it!!!! Jeremy had to pay FPE $1000.00 to fix his turbo, and had to wait until the parts were available and didn't have his charger for the hometown truck in July. I just think that for an almost $500 gauge they should be willing to make this right????? They offered to buy the complete gauge back but what good is that now???? I will install and recommend Auto meter from now on..

























Jeremy



I attached a copy of that email this morning, but here it is below:





Jeremy



I am sorry you are not happy with our product and I am sorry that something happened to your turbo, but let me just refresh your memory about us standing behind our products and the results of your incident, and the fact that you think your damaged turbo is our fault.



SPA Technique has always and will continue to stand behind our products 100%. When you came to us about your incident, we did our due diligence by having you send the defective part back to us for inspection. We forwarded that part to the manufacturer for evaluation, and it was concluded that the only way our EGT probe could have failed the way it did, was by another object or outside force acting on the probe, as was stated to you in an email from the manufacturer



"For a sensor to fail and come apart, there absolutely has to have been a mechanical force applied to the sensor. Either during installation, removal, or if it moved on it's own due to improper installation. This is unlike a turbo where there are many moving parts at high speed under great pressures. There is really nothing mechanical that can fail. Repeated bending of the sensor will cause stress fractures which could weaken the external casing of the sensor, but even then they won't explode."



We have sold literally thousands of these gauges, the boost/EGT, and have never, I repeat never, had this issue of an “exploding” probe. We have had probes burn out, not work from new, faulty adapter boxes, and programming errors, but whatever the situation, we have always worked with the customer to make it right, as we did with you! If you know guys that have had issues with their DG211’s, I will guarantee we worked with them or the dealer they bought it through to make it right!



And just to be clear, we don’t just send random parts to customers. We send parts based on what the customer has told us the issues are and send what we think will fix the issue.



Again, I am sorry you are not happy with our product, so here is my offer to you. If you send me the complete gauge kit (gauge, harness, adapter box, pressure sensor, egt probe) and a copy of your receipt from the dealer you bought it from, I will gladly refund your money. Please send the gauge kit and receipt to the following:



SPA Technique

8225 Indy Lane

Indianapolis, IN 46214

ATTN: Morgan Jones



Please include your mailing details, as once we receive the complete gauge kit and receipt, we will cut you a check and mail it to you.



Thank you



Kind Regards



Morgan Jones

SPA Technique

www.spatechnique.com



p.s. – Just remember, before you go jumping on forums, you might want to present both sides of this issue, your view and our view, and make sure you only use facts, so those posts don’t become defamation or libel material!
 

JustinD

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Nov 21, 2008
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He is sending the gauge back and buying Autometer or Speck, screw SPA and then threaten him with slander or libel shit. If they just made good on it there would be no issue and we would tell everyone how great they are.... but for that kind of coin you should get good customer support, he mine as well have bought Glow shift shit!!! :mad:
 

JRODS*LB7

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He is sending the gauge back and buying Autometer or Speck, screw SPA and then threaten him with slander or libel shit. If they just made good on it there would be no issue and we would tell everyone how great they are.... but for that kind of coin you should get good customer support, he mine as well have bought Glow shift shit!!! :mad:
:thumb: glowshift is shit, i ended up with autometer and love em!
 

mjones

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@ JustinD - Did you actually read the email from SPA to Jeremy, that you posted?? Did you read the part from the manufacturer of the probe?

"For a sensor to fail and come apart, there absolutely has to have been a mechanical force applied to the sensor. Either during installation, removal, or if it moved on it's own due to improper installation. This is unlike a turbo where there are many moving parts at high speed under great pressures. There is really nothing mechanical that can fail. Repeated bending of the sensor will cause stress fractures which could weaken the external casing of the sensor, but even then they won't explode."

We did our part in trying to find the cause of the issue with the probe. We sent him a new probe and even sent a new adapter box when he got a reading issue. What more support do you expect, other than us paying for his turbo?? If it had been found that the probe was the issue by itself, things would have been different! But something had to have acted on the probe, for it to get damaged the way it did!

As I said in the email, we stand behind our products 100%!!

@McRat - I would like to know more about your situation. What problems did you have? When was this? Did you deal with SPA directly? There is absolutely no way you received zero customer support!!
 

JustinD

Plow Truck
Nov 21, 2008
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I was there for the install, there is NO way it was affected or any mechanical force!! I have an SPA in my truck too!!! Jeremy even has ATS manifolds with bungs so how was there anything that hurt the probe????????????? Its bullshit that we spend almost $500 on a gauge and this shit happens, we could all buy Autometer for 250!!!!!! I feel bad because I recommended your POS gauge to him as I have one as well as a few other buddies, You have been having issues with them lately, I know a couple guys who you had to send new probes to because the EGT gauge quit working, including Jeremy, funny how it quit working and a week later his $3000 turbo from Fleece that was less than a year old was wasted due to the probe bouncing around in his exhaust housing!!!! I will NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM SPA again!!!! I will not suggest anyone use your products!! I personally feel responsible for this mess he was set on mechanical gauges and I talked him into your stuff. The more I ask around the more I see you guys are all about taking our money and not standing behind your stuff, and at the price you charge you could at-least contribute to the repair to his turbo, less than a year old and Fleece had to rebuilt it and Jeremy is out over a grand!! That great we small time guys try to go out and sled pull/drag race on our own dime, not a huge shop that has parts given to them just remember that!!! You bought his gauge back which I guess is something but c'mon now he bougt Autometer and I bet HE WILL NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM.



SPA should consider upping their customer service and actually admitting when they may have had an issue.


Thanks for making me look like an asshole and suggesting your stuff.
Justin
 

JustinD

Plow Truck
Nov 21, 2008
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3 other guys with the same gauge and same method of install done at the same place but we ****ed up the probe?????? :roflmao: Give me a break! I'd rather use Glo-shift at this point!
 

JRODS*LB7

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3 other guys with the same gauge and same method of install done at the same place but we ****ed up the probe?????? :roflmao: Give me a break! I'd rather use Glo-shift at this point!

I got a glo_shift mechanical boost guage for saleeeee CHEAPPPP CHEAPPPP!!!! If it causes any damage to your truck i will gladly buy it back from you ! DEAL?:roflmao:
 

mjones

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@JustinD - Just so you know, here is the entire statement from the manufacturer of the probe.


"Thank you for contacting us. Let me begin by clarifying that we are not specifically blaming anyone for your engine failure. That being said, what we can do is attempt to explain how our probes are manufactured, how they work, and how it's impossible for them to "explode". An EGT sensor has zero moving parts, zero combustible or explosive materials inside and out, and zero chance of detonating. There is nothing used in the manufacturing of, or in the finished product, that will cause it to explode. The internal material of the sensor is magnesium oxide a mineral insulation which has a melting point of over 3000 degrees F. This separates and insulates two small strands of wire inside made of two different, non-flammable metals. The external material is ordinary 304 stainless steel and is TIG welded at the tip. The lead wires at the back-end of the sensor, which should be no where near the internal exhaust path, are fiberglass insulated with 304 stainless braid and are insulated at the internal junction with ceramic cement. When the two metals inside are exposed to a heat source, be it exhaust, boost, cylinder head, etc, the different materials create a 0-5v signal which a gauge or computer can measure and display. There is no power supplied to the probe, no electricity of any kind going into or anything moving. For a sensor to fail and come apart, there absolutely has to have been a mechanical force applied to the sensor. Either during installation, removal, or if it moved on it's own due to improper installation. This is unlike a turbo where there are many moving parts at high speed under great pressures. There is really nothing mechanical that can fail. Repeated bending of the sensor will cause stress fractures which could weaken the external casing of the sensor, but even then they won't explode. All of our sensors are tested during manufacturing and before they are shipped with zero defects. As with any high performance aftermarket part, and their intended use, any engine they're installed within cannot be guaranteed by Zip Sensors, Inc. and is the sole responsibility of the end user. This is no different than any aftermarket turbo you may install, or nitrous system, etc. If one installsls a system from NOS, and it works perfectly, but their engine explodes from using it, one can't place liability on NOS can they?
Zip Sensors, Inc. has been in business for 6 years and we have manufactured 1000's of sensors for all types of high performance applications. Our sensors are currently used by Pro-mod teams, NHRA Pro Stock, Top Fuel, Top Aalcohol, pulling teams, jet dragsters, high performance diesels, motorcycles and land speed vehicles, all with zero failures.
I hope this helps explain the process and operation of an EGT sensor and clarifies our position. We are never happy to hear about an engine failure and sincerely hope you're back on the road/track asap."


Take it for whatever you want, and we will agree to disagree!!

And by the way, when you're comparing the prices of gauges, make sure it's apples to apples. A dual digital gauge (2 gauges in 1) is going to cost more than a single mechanical or digital gauge!!
 

JustinD

Plow Truck
Nov 21, 2008
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Either way SPA sucks as far as I am concerned, I work in for an Electrical wholesaler and shit get damaged and its not our fault but guess what we usually do what it takes since most of the time its not that much and if you had helped we would be telling everyone how great you were and that you were helpful but you basically told him too bad dude! I know the price of fixing his turbo would have put SPA out of business!!!!! Give me a break man we will agree to disagree but I promise that I will continue to tell everyone the way this went. On here, Dieselplace.com, Duramaxforums.com and the other forums I am on. Hope it was worth it to screw a young kid that is trying to enjoy his truck on a kids budget! Good day sirs!
 

JRODS*LB7

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Would've been nice if they said"hey we havent had a failure in 6years ,we will take care of cost for turbo repair,send a tech to install a new probe to cover our butts this time " Even though im sure it was installed correctly. Thats right there is Customer service! When i worked at a tire and rim shop and a customer bought crome wheels ,1yr later they return and say "hey my chrome is peeling off" and we asked if they drove it in the winter on salty roads? , and they say yup, Guess what? Even though we told the customer from the beginning not to drive in the winter on salty roads, they got them selves BRAND NEW RIMS!!! That my friends , is customer service at its finest!:thumb:
 

WanaDmaxsub

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Ummmm....anyone want to toss one of those non-working SPA gauges my way??? My back lights don't work and I would like to have a practice gauge to tear apart before I tear mine down....'now what I mean?:eek:
 

werewolf

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Typically customer service these days. Companies don't want to own up to the possibilty of making a mistake. It doesn't always have to come down to the installation, there could have been an issue in manufactoring or packaging that caused a weak link in the sensor and all it took was the pressure of the exhaust system to break it loose and cause MAJOR damage. Hell I bet it would be a different story if they would of just said hey man let me pay to fix your turbo since you just spent $500 on our product and we will send you another probe as well. Then this wouldn't be here, or better yet there would be praises going on. But sometimes you have to live and learn the hard way.

Good Luck to Justin and your buddy
 

PureHybrid

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Do you have any pictures of the probe after the failure? I find it hard to believe it just melted off, only time Ive seen that happen was a 1/16" t-couple being exposed to 1600F+ in an instrumented DPF...

What kind of fittings were used for the thermocouple? How deep was it inserted during install?

If it was pushed all the way in then torqued down, its possible the tip rubbed on the other side of the manifold :confused:
 

SmokeShow

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Just to play advocate, I HIGHLY doubt his new gauge manufacturer would replace the turbo either if the new probe flies apart and eats up the turbo again. Just my guess.