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I will recreate as much as I can do though
I will recreate as much as I can do though
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Scheid 09 results
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Originally posted by Pat
Scheid 09 Pulling Results
2.6
1 DANIEL MUSSELMAN 1996 DODGE RAM 341.080 2 SECOND HAND SMOKE
2 SCOTT AMOS 1995 DODGE 335.050 24 HUMMIN CUMMINS
3 KEVIN GLOVER 2001 DODGE RAM 334.110 20 NORTHEAST DIESEL DODGE
4 MATT GAINER 2002 GMC 334.090 26
5 WESLEY WADE 2006 DODGE RAM 333.070 16
6 TERRY MARTIN 2001 DODGE 3500 331.100 23
7 CRAIG MCELFRESH 2003 CHEVY DURAMAX 329.010 22
8 WILLIAM CHAMBERS 2002 DODGE 2500 327.010 18 HIT-N-MISS
9 ERIC BEVERLY 1999 DODGE RAM 326.020 21
10 ADAM LOTT 1998 DODGE RAM 323.080 15
11 JERROD NEAL 2006 GMC 323.070 11
12 BEN JEFFERSON 2002 CHEVY DURAMANX 319.110 9
13 RYAN UPTEGRAFT 2003 GMC DURAMAX 319.060 5
14 GARRICK GAY 2001 CHEVY 319.030 6
15 DOUG MONROE 2005 DODGE 3500 317.060 7
16 GARRY WOODWARD 2004 DODGE 317.050 8
17 JOE HILL 2004 CHEVY DURAMAX 316.000 12
18 J.T. JOAQUIN 2004 CHEVY 315.080 21
19 JEREMY MAY 1994 DODGE 3500 315.000 17
20 DAVID SEMPLE 1996 DODGE 314.060 19
21 SCOTT LOGSDON 1997 DODGE 3500 312.100 13
22 MICAH DOWNEY 2001 DODGE RAM 3500 309.100 10 DIRT DIGGLER
23 BEN DUVALL 2007 DODGE RAM 309.050 5
24 JOSHUA LAND 1997 DODGE 299.100 4 THE CRIPPLER
25 TIM BURTON 1999 DODGE RAM 284.040 2
26 JAMIE LARSE 2002 DODGE 1.000 14
2.8
1 MATTHEW WILLIAMS 1995 DODGE 329.100 RAGGED OUT 11
2 TROY WAKEMAN 2001 CHEVY DURAMAX 328.030 SMOKIN DIESEL 19
3 WESLEY KUSILEK 2003 GMC 326.070 STILL LEARNING 16
4 RIC SCRIMAGER 2006 CHEVY 321.090 MAD D-MAX 24
5 CARL SUGG 1997 DODGE 321.090 GREEN MONSTER 18
6 TONY BURKHARD 2005 CHEVY DURAMAX 318.100 DIRTY HOOKER 20
7 JUSTIN MOSLEY 1999 DODGE 315.100 12
8 JOE WILTSE 1997 FORD POWERSTROK 314.110 1 BAD APPLE 13
9 CHRIS WEBB 1997 DODGE RAM 314.090 K-BUILDINGS 17
10 CHRIS MUHS 1998 DODGE RAM 313.000 WHITE LIGHTNING 7
11 EVAN SMOOT 1997 DODGE 312.090 8
12 RYAN BEAN 2002 FORD F-350 311.090 SMOKIN HOT HOOKER 9
13 ADAM HALLIEN 1997 DODGE 309.020 WRECKER 5
14 TERRY COPPESS 1998 DODGE 308.050 BLUE GOOSE 6
15 RICK THOMAS 1994 DODGE 308.040 23
16 DENTON KRUEGER 1997 DODGE RAM 304.060 LATE NITES 22
17 TAYLOR STIVERS 1998 DODGE 2500 304.030 BLACKJACK 21
18 TROY KOSIBA 2001 CHEVY DURAMAX 301.000 3
19 JON SWARTZENTRUBER 2003 CHEVY DURAMAX 299.100 SMOKIN U 25
20 TONY IMHOFF 2001 DODGE RAM 296.050 BUZZIN HALF DOZE 10
21 TERRY BIGGS 2001 DODGE 2500.0 296.030 24 VALVE BLACKOUT 4
22 MICHAEL STONER 2001 FORD F250 291.050 UNDER CONSTRUCTION 2
23 MITCH RICHARDSON 1998 DODGE 2500 169.030 OUTLAW 20
24 JERRY LIERLY 2006 DODGE 28.290 SCRAPPED OUT 15
25 ZACH GAMMON 1998 DODGE RAM 22.110 EXPENSIVE HOOKER 14
3.0
1 DAN PAINTER 2003 FORD POWERSTROK 306.040 DIRT SLING N 2
2 BRAD INGRAM 1996 DODGE RAM 305.090 SCHEID DIESEL 11
3 ROD TAR DODGE 301.050 SUPER RAM 5
4 NATHAN THORNLEY 2003 CHEVY DURAMAX 299.040 RIDIN' DIRTY 26
5 KEVIN COLE 1998 DODGE RAM 297.020 TWISTED GOAT 25
6 JEREMY DENSON 1996 DODGE RAM 293.070 TOO DISTURBED 19
7 RYAN WHALEN 2002 DODGE RAM 293.050 CUMMINZED OUT 7
8 BILL HEYEN 2002 DODGE RAM 29010% LETHAL INJECTION 20
9 LADELL WEAVER 1995 DODGE RAM 289.100 WOUND TIGHT 18
10 RUSSELL DIONNE 1996 DODGE RAM 289.080 SLINGING RAM 4
11 TIM JONES 2006 FORD F350 288.090 23
12 JUSTIN WILKINS 1994 DODGE RAM 286.040 BAD REPUTATION 14
13 JOHN SMITH 1999 FORD POWERSTROK 284.010 BLACK WIDOW 12
14 WES KUSILEK 2007 GMC DURAMAX 283.060 HOMEMADE 3
15 JEREMY TRENTON 2004 CHEVY DURAMAX 270.000 MAD MAX 2
15 BRIAN HALPERSON GMC BLACK 266.070 6
17 SHANE BOYER 2005 DODGE RAM 235.000 13
18 JOE OCCHIPINTI 2005 DODGE RAM 145.020 OVERFUELED 17
19 PHILLIP IMHOFF 2001 DODGE RAM 117.050 P.I.C. EXPRESS 8
Mod
1 CORY ATLEY 2008 FORD POWERSTROK 322.010 4
2 KENT CROWDER 2008 DODGE RAM 319.080 8
3 FAITH MILLER 1996 DODGE RAM 311.070 2 PULLIN 2 PLEASE
4 BEN MILLER 2008 FORD F350 308.100 9 DOUBLE OVERTIME
5 SHANE KELLOGG 1997 DODGE RAM 308.060 13 GOTTA HAVE IT
6 ERIK STACEY 2006 CHEVY 297.080 16
7 CALVIN MILLER 2002 DODGE RAM 294.110 10 RUNNIN IN THE RED
8 ROGER STRALEY 289.060 3 RACER'S EDGE
9 ROBERT MILLER 2006 DODGE RAM 268.050 6 LET IT ROLL 2
10 CLINT CANNON 2006 CHEVY DURAMAX 254.010 15
11 JOSH WATSON 2006 DODGE ___________ 158.070 11 POOR BOY'S DREAM
Scheid 09 Pulling Results
2.6
1 DANIEL MUSSELMAN 1996 DODGE RAM 341.080 2 SECOND HAND SMOKE
2 SCOTT AMOS 1995 DODGE 335.050 24 HUMMIN CUMMINS
3 KEVIN GLOVER 2001 DODGE RAM 334.110 20 NORTHEAST DIESEL DODGE
4 MATT GAINER 2002 GMC 334.090 26
5 WESLEY WADE 2006 DODGE RAM 333.070 16
6 TERRY MARTIN 2001 DODGE 3500 331.100 23
7 CRAIG MCELFRESH 2003 CHEVY DURAMAX 329.010 22
8 WILLIAM CHAMBERS 2002 DODGE 2500 327.010 18 HIT-N-MISS
9 ERIC BEVERLY 1999 DODGE RAM 326.020 21
10 ADAM LOTT 1998 DODGE RAM 323.080 15
11 JERROD NEAL 2006 GMC 323.070 11
12 BEN JEFFERSON 2002 CHEVY DURAMANX 319.110 9
13 RYAN UPTEGRAFT 2003 GMC DURAMAX 319.060 5
14 GARRICK GAY 2001 CHEVY 319.030 6
15 DOUG MONROE 2005 DODGE 3500 317.060 7
16 GARRY WOODWARD 2004 DODGE 317.050 8
17 JOE HILL 2004 CHEVY DURAMAX 316.000 12
18 J.T. JOAQUIN 2004 CHEVY 315.080 21
19 JEREMY MAY 1994 DODGE 3500 315.000 17
20 DAVID SEMPLE 1996 DODGE 314.060 19
21 SCOTT LOGSDON 1997 DODGE 3500 312.100 13
22 MICAH DOWNEY 2001 DODGE RAM 3500 309.100 10 DIRT DIGGLER
23 BEN DUVALL 2007 DODGE RAM 309.050 5
24 JOSHUA LAND 1997 DODGE 299.100 4 THE CRIPPLER
25 TIM BURTON 1999 DODGE RAM 284.040 2
26 JAMIE LARSE 2002 DODGE 1.000 14
2.8
1 MATTHEW WILLIAMS 1995 DODGE 329.100 RAGGED OUT 11
2 TROY WAKEMAN 2001 CHEVY DURAMAX 328.030 SMOKIN DIESEL 19
3 WESLEY KUSILEK 2003 GMC 326.070 STILL LEARNING 16
4 RIC SCRIMAGER 2006 CHEVY 321.090 MAD D-MAX 24
5 CARL SUGG 1997 DODGE 321.090 GREEN MONSTER 18
6 TONY BURKHARD 2005 CHEVY DURAMAX 318.100 DIRTY HOOKER 20
7 JUSTIN MOSLEY 1999 DODGE 315.100 12
8 JOE WILTSE 1997 FORD POWERSTROK 314.110 1 BAD APPLE 13
9 CHRIS WEBB 1997 DODGE RAM 314.090 K-BUILDINGS 17
10 CHRIS MUHS 1998 DODGE RAM 313.000 WHITE LIGHTNING 7
11 EVAN SMOOT 1997 DODGE 312.090 8
12 RYAN BEAN 2002 FORD F-350 311.090 SMOKIN HOT HOOKER 9
13 ADAM HALLIEN 1997 DODGE 309.020 WRECKER 5
14 TERRY COPPESS 1998 DODGE 308.050 BLUE GOOSE 6
15 RICK THOMAS 1994 DODGE 308.040 23
16 DENTON KRUEGER 1997 DODGE RAM 304.060 LATE NITES 22
17 TAYLOR STIVERS 1998 DODGE 2500 304.030 BLACKJACK 21
18 TROY KOSIBA 2001 CHEVY DURAMAX 301.000 3
19 JON SWARTZENTRUBER 2003 CHEVY DURAMAX 299.100 SMOKIN U 25
20 TONY IMHOFF 2001 DODGE RAM 296.050 BUZZIN HALF DOZE 10
21 TERRY BIGGS 2001 DODGE 2500.0 296.030 24 VALVE BLACKOUT 4
22 MICHAEL STONER 2001 FORD F250 291.050 UNDER CONSTRUCTION 2
23 MITCH RICHARDSON 1998 DODGE 2500 169.030 OUTLAW 20
24 JERRY LIERLY 2006 DODGE 28.290 SCRAPPED OUT 15
25 ZACH GAMMON 1998 DODGE RAM 22.110 EXPENSIVE HOOKER 14
3.0
1 DAN PAINTER 2003 FORD POWERSTROK 306.040 DIRT SLING N 2
2 BRAD INGRAM 1996 DODGE RAM 305.090 SCHEID DIESEL 11
3 ROD TAR DODGE 301.050 SUPER RAM 5
4 NATHAN THORNLEY 2003 CHEVY DURAMAX 299.040 RIDIN' DIRTY 26
5 KEVIN COLE 1998 DODGE RAM 297.020 TWISTED GOAT 25
6 JEREMY DENSON 1996 DODGE RAM 293.070 TOO DISTURBED 19
7 RYAN WHALEN 2002 DODGE RAM 293.050 CUMMINZED OUT 7
8 BILL HEYEN 2002 DODGE RAM 29010% LETHAL INJECTION 20
9 LADELL WEAVER 1995 DODGE RAM 289.100 WOUND TIGHT 18
10 RUSSELL DIONNE 1996 DODGE RAM 289.080 SLINGING RAM 4
11 TIM JONES 2006 FORD F350 288.090 23
12 JUSTIN WILKINS 1994 DODGE RAM 286.040 BAD REPUTATION 14
13 JOHN SMITH 1999 FORD POWERSTROK 284.010 BLACK WIDOW 12
14 WES KUSILEK 2007 GMC DURAMAX 283.060 HOMEMADE 3
15 JEREMY TRENTON 2004 CHEVY DURAMAX 270.000 MAD MAX 2
15 BRIAN HALPERSON GMC BLACK 266.070 6
17 SHANE BOYER 2005 DODGE RAM 235.000 13
18 JOE OCCHIPINTI 2005 DODGE RAM 145.020 OVERFUELED 17
19 PHILLIP IMHOFF 2001 DODGE RAM 117.050 P.I.C. EXPRESS 8
Mod
1 CORY ATLEY 2008 FORD POWERSTROK 322.010 4
2 KENT CROWDER 2008 DODGE RAM 319.080 8
3 FAITH MILLER 1996 DODGE RAM 311.070 2 PULLIN 2 PLEASE
4 BEN MILLER 2008 FORD F350 308.100 9 DOUBLE OVERTIME
5 SHANE KELLOGG 1997 DODGE RAM 308.060 13 GOTTA HAVE IT
6 ERIK STACEY 2006 CHEVY 297.080 16
7 CALVIN MILLER 2002 DODGE RAM 294.110 10 RUNNIN IN THE RED
8 ROGER STRALEY 289.060 3 RACER'S EDGE
9 ROBERT MILLER 2006 DODGE RAM 268.050 6 LET IT ROLL 2
10 CLINT CANNON 2006 CHEVY DURAMAX 254.010 15
11 JOSH WATSON 2006 DODGE ___________ 158.070 11 POOR BOY'S DREAM
Basically we were discussing the rules eliminating the stock charger/daily driver trucks, Dmaxs finishing well even if the rules favor cummins powered trucks, Van Haisley's claim of 900 hp to be competitive in 2.6, the sled breakage, TNRGreene's carnage, and Troy Wakeman's unique sounding truck.
Cliff notes
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I think class is where it needs to be minus a bushing rule like scheids. With the way the bushing rule was, there were some real fancy bushings made that I'd bet flow almost as much as the native charger itself. They were pimp! If the bushing rule required the 2.65" bushing bore be 1/2-3/4" long and be within 0.01 - 0.05 of the wheel face, then they'll act more like the other 2.6 trucks with stepped cover chargers and not so much like 2.8 chargers.
Troys truck has tube headers n high rpm. I think that's thebiggest reason it sounds like it does. Gainers has the tube headers also n sounds similar but obviously isn't spinning as hard.
A rock broke the sled window, pure consequence not because troys truck is a badass. Operator though the sled broke n a piece of it broke the window so he hit neutral. Seen it wasn't broke n took back out of neutral. Then something wouldn't engage so they swapped sleds. N thats why trpy hooked to new sled - caise of the neutral thing. Found out glass was stopping engagement, cleaned it out and used that sled in the finals. That's what the sled operator told me anyways.
I think 850-900 is prettyclose on some of the trucks that were there.. Rear wheel too.
Troys truck has tube headers n high rpm. I think that's thebiggest reason it sounds like it does. Gainers has the tube headers also n sounds similar but obviously isn't spinning as hard.
A rock broke the sled window, pure consequence not because troys truck is a badass. Operator though the sled broke n a piece of it broke the window so he hit neutral. Seen it wasn't broke n took back out of neutral. Then something wouldn't engage so they swapped sleds. N thats why trpy hooked to new sled - caise of the neutral thing. Found out glass was stopping engagement, cleaned it out and used that sled in the finals. That's what the sled operator told me anyways.
I think 850-900 is prettyclose on some of the trucks that were there.
. Rear wheel too.
There are a few videos on CompD, but you have to hunt for them.
Very limited drag results as well. Stuckey won, and it pissed off the staff apparently.
Pretty much the reason I liked and supported that board was they would do "in-depth" coverage of events, regardless of who won, or what happened. Now it's pretty much the diesel version of Pravda, they tell you what they want you to hear. No dyno results, a CompD mod won the Show and Shine so there was good coverage on that.
Is there a board out there that covers diesel events? All results, pics, videos? If not, there should be.
Very limited drag results as well. Stuckey won, and it pissed off the staff apparently.
Pretty much the reason I liked and supported that board was they would do "in-depth" coverage of events, regardless of who won, or what happened. Now it's pretty much the diesel version of Pravda, they tell you what they want you to hear. No dyno results, a CompD mod won the Show and Shine so there was good coverage on that.
Is there a board out there that covers diesel events? All results, pics, videos? If not, there should be.
Hate to say it but I looked over his truck and it is actually very impressive the amount of detail into that. All show and No go???
Shit he could of won the show and shine along with the dyno compitition then. :spit: I have to see the numbers to believe them, if there is a video with slip out there let me know as I would like to see it. Eric
Anyhow...
There has been a lot of debate about "workstock". Last year, SDX called 2.6 class "workstock", but this year they dropped the name, but it's still the lowest class. And some organizations did the same, making WS = 2.6.
Like I've said in the past, loosening up the performance rules for the lowest class does a disservice the majority of diesel enthusiasts who want to pull. Even if they have no expection of winning, the higher HP allowed means more safety equipment. And for those who want to be competitive, more breakage.
As technology improves, the situation will get worse, not better. There is debate as to the HP level of the SDX 2.6 rules trucks. But most agree it's over 750HP. If someone said WS would require over 750HP to be in the running 5 years ago, you'd have been laughed at. 750HP certainly drops reliability when compared to 600HP. You have to spend more to stop breakage the higher the HP goes, and it increases the costs per run as well.
A fact of racing, is it costs $X per run, and X goes up geometrically as HP increases. If it costs you $5000 to run 10 events with 600HP, it might cost you $10,000 to run 10 with 750HP.
Some claim that loosening the WS charger rules will fuel innovation. I'm not sure I buy that. The innovations for reliability will come from the 2.8/3.0 classes, and innovation in trying to make a 2.6 charger flow as much as a 2.8 or bigger charger is pointless. Need more air? Put on a bigger charger. A 2.6 hybrid/restrictor-limited charger will run under more stress than if you just put on a larger, more balanced charger. There is a market for true 2.6 chargers, but they are towing/street/strip units that are good daily driver chargers. Putting 100mm+ wheels in them narrows their powerband and moves it up the RPM range, making them inferior to true 2.6 chargers for the intended application.
There is an argument that tech'g the chargers for anything other than inducer bore is too difficult. No easy solution for that. The best I could think of is tech'g everyone for inducer bore, but the winners will have prove they are legal. If you want the trophy and the check, you need to pull into impound, then pull off the cover. A max exducer dia limit of 94mm (100mm is a 2.8/3.0 standard charger) will restrict HP more than just a 2.650 sleeve will.
What is funny, is that a "true" 2.6" charger is usually ~88-90mm exducer, but the most popular retail chargers are actually 2.654" inducer (S300G's) since they need more clearance. Keeping the plug test at 2.65 instead of 2.66 actually encourages people to run custom hybrid chargers in that class, and stops a typical 2.6" from running.
But that's just my opinion, and I'm sure it will piss some folk off.
There has been a lot of debate about "workstock". Last year, SDX called 2.6 class "workstock", but this year they dropped the name, but it's still the lowest class. And some organizations did the same, making WS = 2.6.
Like I've said in the past, loosening up the performance rules for the lowest class does a disservice the majority of diesel enthusiasts who want to pull. Even if they have no expection of winning, the higher HP allowed means more safety equipment. And for those who want to be competitive, more breakage.
As technology improves, the situation will get worse, not better. There is debate as to the HP level of the SDX 2.6 rules trucks. But most agree it's over 750HP. If someone said WS would require over 750HP to be in the running 5 years ago, you'd have been laughed at. 750HP certainly drops reliability when compared to 600HP. You have to spend more to stop breakage the higher the HP goes, and it increases the costs per run as well.
A fact of racing, is it costs $X per run, and X goes up geometrically as HP increases. If it costs you $5000 to run 10 events with 600HP, it might cost you $10,000 to run 10 with 750HP.
Some claim that loosening the WS charger rules will fuel innovation. I'm not sure I buy that. The innovations for reliability will come from the 2.8/3.0 classes, and innovation in trying to make a 2.6 charger flow as much as a 2.8 or bigger charger is pointless. Need more air? Put on a bigger charger. A 2.6 hybrid/restrictor-limited charger will run under more stress than if you just put on a larger, more balanced charger. There is a market for true 2.6 chargers, but they are towing/street/strip units that are good daily driver chargers. Putting 100mm+ wheels in them narrows their powerband and moves it up the RPM range, making them inferior to true 2.6 chargers for the intended application.
There is an argument that tech'g the chargers for anything other than inducer bore is too difficult. No easy solution for that. The best I could think of is tech'g everyone for inducer bore, but the winners will have prove they are legal. If you want the trophy and the check, you need to pull into impound, then pull off the cover. A max exducer dia limit of 94mm (100mm is a 2.8/3.0 standard charger) will restrict HP more than just a 2.650 sleeve will.
What is funny, is that a "true" 2.6" charger is usually ~88-90mm exducer, but the most popular retail chargers are actually 2.654" inducer (S300G's) since they need more clearance. Keeping the plug test at 2.65 instead of 2.66 actually encourages people to run custom hybrid chargers in that class, and stops a typical 2.6" from running.
But that's just my opinion, and I'm sure it will piss some folk off.
I agree Pat with some of what you said however the average guy does not want to pull covers after a pull. Make an inducer ruler & limit to 1 pump & run. Huge wheels without enough fuel is useless. Or keep a WS class, 2.6, 2.8. Scheids did away with Ws & it became 2.6 with some large chargers. My deal is the same as guys spraying when they are not supposed to be. If they can sleep that they are cheating, go for it. Same with the 2.8 guys using a bushing, they fit the rules but they beat up on the younger kids. It will never change but what would be nice is to go to Maine then Florida then Indiana then California & at least have the same rules. Now you need 4 chargers to do that
I agree Pat with some of what you said however the average guy does not want to pull covers after a pull. Make an inducer ruler & limit to 1 pump & run. Huge wheels without enough fuel is useless. Or keep a WS class, 2.6, 2.8. Scheids did away with Ws & it became 2.6 with some large chargers. My deal is the same as guys spraying when they are not supposed to be. If they can sleep that they are cheating, go for it. Same with the 2.8 guys using a bushing, they fit the rules but they beat up on the younger kids. It will never change but what would be nice is to go to Maine then Florida then Indiana then California & at least have the same rules. Now you need 4 chargers to do that
The "average" guy won't have to pull the cover. Only if he wants a paycheck from his fellow pullers. That would still allow you to decline pulling the cover, you don't have to do it unless you want. My guess is that the trucks that believe they have a chance at winning, will show up legal, and ready to pull the cover.
Huge fuel is already available from a single pump (800hp worth), and it will become even more available soon. While I don't agree with dual pumps in entry level class either, you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. If you want to restrict fuel, it will be more difficult than restricting air.
You could just tighten up on the restrictor more to keep HP levels sane (2.5?), but what you are going to find is that you'll hurt both the charger and engine easier as you trying force the charger to work against a heavier restriction if you permit big wheel hybrids. It's no secret that when you put a bigger wheel on a small charger, the life expectancy goes down, and EGT's go up.
I probably should have started a new thread, since this really has nothing to do with SDX. SDX is a private event, and they are entitled to set the rules as they see fit.
I'm writing in more generic terms, as it applies to typical diesel hotrodders, especially Dmax guys.
I'm writing in more generic terms, as it applies to typical diesel hotrodders, especially Dmax guys.
If all you change is to a single pump, you only hurt common rails. P-pump will rule that class.