There is a BRAND NEW UNINSTALLED PPE stage 5 kit with convertor for sale over on the duramaxforum.com classifieds section for $2,000 obo but hurry it wont last long at that price!
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this isnt directed towards you personally but i will never buy a PPE product after the crap I saw 4 years ago. now, on the subject of PPE trans kits, I have never installed one because I want the insurance that it is going to go as smooth as possible and last the longest, so I buy from George and recommend George. I've heard enough stories about PPE clearance issues to not buy or recommend them. now, I will add, these issues are compounded by the installers who dont know any different and run the kit even if the clearances are wrong to start with. There are plenty of those, but if the kit was "customized" pre-shipping, that would never be the problem.
Judski,
The kits were redesigned over a year ago, The kits should be drop in now. However I still recommend double checking clearances when building the trans. The only kit that might need a little extra work is the 01-05 stage 4. The 06-10 stage 4 and 1-10 stage 5 kits should be perfect.
Just a heads up for everyone!
The kits were redesigned over a year ago, The kits should be drop in now. However I still recommend double checking clearances when building the trans. The only kit that might need a little extra work is the 01-05 stage 4. The 06-10 stage 4 and 1-10 stage 5 kits should be perfect.
Just a heads up for everyone!
The PPE kits fit just fine as I have set the clearance on the clutches with the Alto engineers for PPE.
Mike, I tried you 3 times prior to calling or purchasing anything from anyone else. I assumed your were just swamped and did not have time to rush a order/kit out right now. You can disregard my message's and p.m. from saturday. Thanks anyhow..........
I knew you had a hand in them Mike, just wasnt sure how much of a hand. I guess I don't understand then how some peoples kits get sent out and they go and check clearances and they are off more than .010". quality control? I don't know. But it shouldn't be the installer's fault for a failure if the he was installing a "kit" from PPE then.
The problem with these guys who think we owe them the world as they fix or come up with everything thing is......they are wrong.
The Alto kits are better then they were, but with my conversations with them over the past few years, they had no idea they were off. Now they listened to certain people and that made some of it worse and some of it not even necessary, but it's too late now. So a PPE level 5, let's use for example, will not fit in both 5 and 6 speed transmissions as the rotating assemblies are different. So a boxed kit is the same from them as well as not having certain pieces that a 5 speed "should" have. The second is, it is a mass produced part from steel that is made. They are not machined, but stamped. So ow you take a run of clutches on a C1, which is 16, and add .01 thickness to each one and you just lost a good amount of clearance. Technology has come a long way and the internet has proven to help a lot of people, but it also gives someone the power to do something they really shouldn't be getting involved with.
If you want your best deal, call PPE and buy a few of something. They make everyone a dealer, which should piss off people actually in business, and then you can get wholesale. I personally am not interesting in whoring myself out as I am here to make money and be here for awhile. When it gets to the point that I have to whore to sell parts, I can gaurantee I will piss a whole bunch of people off. The people who whore generally have the worst customer service......I refer to them as the Walmart companies. If it's a great deal on PPE kits you are looking for, this thread clears up the fact that they use out of the box Altos Power Packs, so go buy them and hop on Ebay for your Transgo stuff and shop for a converter.....that's the cheapest.
The Alto kits are better then they were, but with my conversations with them over the past few years, they had no idea they were off. Now they listened to certain people and that made some of it worse and some of it not even necessary, but it's too late now. So a PPE level 5, let's use for example, will not fit in both 5 and 6 speed transmissions as the rotating assemblies are different. So a boxed kit is the same from them as well as not having certain pieces that a 5 speed "should" have. The second is, it is a mass produced part from steel that is made. They are not machined, but stamped. So ow you take a run of clutches on a C1, which is 16, and add .01 thickness to each one and you just lost a good amount of clearance. Technology has come a long way and the internet has proven to help a lot of people, but it also gives someone the power to do something they really shouldn't be getting involved with.
If you want your best deal, call PPE and buy a few of something. They make everyone a dealer, which should piss off people actually in business, and then you can get wholesale. I personally am not interesting in whoring myself out as I am here to make money and be here for awhile. When it gets to the point that I have to whore to sell parts, I can gaurantee I will piss a whole bunch of people off. The people who whore generally have the worst customer service......I refer to them as the Walmart companies. If it's a great deal on PPE kits you are looking for, this thread clears up the fact that they use out of the box Altos Power Packs, so go buy them and hop on Ebay for your Transgo stuff and shop for a converter.....that's the cheapest.
I have to disagree with you on this. The installer is the key and he should be experienced when doing something technical. It is his job to be sure it gets done properly and that means refusing to use sub par parts. You are paying him for what he knows, not what he does. I understand what you're saying, they gaurantee the kit to be 100%.....here is where the customer service comes in.
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You are right, I shouldve directed my point towards kits put together by ppe or aligator or dmaxstore or any of those places. I hold myself personally responsible if anything is wrong in my transmission, because you did all you could to make sure i did it right. But i still think that if a shop was hired to install a kit with prescribed clutches and clearances and then it fails, and no other faults are found, it should be the suppliers problem, they dictated the instructions and what parts would work.
If a professional shop was hired to do the work we assume that they have all necessary equipment and parts along with specialty items to set clearance. Any transmission, stock or high performance needs to have these things checked and the parts and manuals are available to do this. If the clearance is not checked and there is a problem, it is the builders fault. Clearance vary from trans to trans. That's why different thickness clutches, snap rings, and spacers are available. Sometimes you need to custom machine parts to get what you want.
Lately I have been redoing a lot of Alli's that were done by DIY's and I have to tell you guys that clutch clearance was not the big problem. Parts have been installed backwards or sometimes left out. Bad parts were overlooked that should have been changed. Some parts were forced together. Lack of knowledge and attention to detail along with sloppy work habits cause this. Some of these Alli's were done at professional shops. Some of these transmissions worked for a year or 2 before they let loose; most of them didn't.
Bigdipper,
I'm not sure what you are referring too in this post. But our stage 5 kit comes with different parts for the 5 speed and 6 speed kits. They are NOT the same or universal. You must be reffering to our older kits.
Thank you Mike!
If the installer see's there is a clearence issue and installs the kit (with out fixing the issue) and it fails who's fault would it be???
I have one of your level 5 kits in my posession right now that the C1 has .078 clearance. I know u are sure to send out the proper Transgo kits, but I am refering to clutches. I'm not arguing, just stating the facts. I too have been "rebuilding" a lot lately and disagreeing with Mike, clearance has been an issue on a few of them. Too much clearance on certain clutches will allow the piston to over travel and leave the lip seal vulnerable. You can call Mike, he will agree, just not here.
I'm not too concerned as I would prefer not to sell kits simply to avoid dealing with the inexperience. I do not have time to hold someone's hand to help them do something they shouldn't be doing anyway. When I decide to pursue selling kits, I'll close the doors and open up an Ebay account like everyone else. I'm glad this conversation took place though, atleast some people see that I have always gone the extra mile and taken the time to get them the best product......just reading that is worth it to me.
Since you are asking for scenerios, when a builder calls your tech department and tells them they don't have enough clearance and your tech guy tells them "it'll be fine", whose fault is it when it fails?
George I agree that clearance has been an issue in a few. I was stating that I've seen a lot of other problems and mistakes made. Seems the word is out that building the Alli is a piece of cake. A lot of these guys should not be trying to build these. That's why I quit selling kits unless I know the person is experienced and I don't have to hold his hand very much.
That would be the suppliers fault. I take most of their tech calls so it shouldn't happen too often.
Yes the valvebody kits are different and sent as such. The clutch kits are also different. If you have one of our kits in you possession take a look at the sticker on each box. It will tell you what year they were spec'd for. The c-1 and c-2 are year specific, the c-3 and c-4's are common between the years (stage 5 kits).
For the record Dan, I know you're in the business to sell parts and that is something that will always be. I am just in business, so I sell to, just not solely. I will never agree that kits sold will be drop in. My opinion will never change on that......not to mention the qualifications of the guy assembling the trans. I have always built every kit prior to shipping to allow the best fit. The quality of the trans is still left to the builder.