Info: Major internal damage from lifted cups

TrentNell

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I am posting this hoping my experience can maybe help save others the $$ this cost me. As some know i lifted 5 cups the last time out, well after fixing all the cups and installing new tips i went to fire the truck up last weekend to get ready for some local testing .............. truck would not start and was just smoking white, pulled engine immediately and after removing the heads found out why, the lifting of the cups caused no damage really, but blowing all the water out mid track and not lifting caused the engine to over heat , temps got so hot it melted the cylinder head and actually blew a quarter sized hole in the head between the injector cup and the valve :baby: , and the molten aluminum floating around ended sticking on top of the piston also.

Sent the engine back to machine shop Monday to be further inspected and after tear down Randy found that the heat also cause the failure of 2 pistons, not the tops of them like you would think but from them expanding in the bore too much I think , wont know until i get them back, the block was damaged from the same action.

I am putting a temp engine together with another block and stock cut and coated pistons and the rest of the parts from this motor to finish out the year and will get the forged pistons back in over the winter along with some other changes , hope fully the Billet hold downs are enough to make sure they hold this time , if the billet hold downs do not hold either we have a few fix's to work with but they would have to be done over the winter when i can be down longer , hoping to have it back up and ready to run in 2-3 weeks . I wanted to share this as I had no clue is was possible to cause so much carnage from lifting a cup at high HP , normally at lower power levels it is no biggie and had no issue using stock holds downs all last year hopefully this can save some one else the same failure. I dont even dare figure out cost per pass :eek:
 
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Rhall

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We need threaded injector cups. Unfortunatly, i dont think the billet hold downs will solve your problem, but i hope im wrong.
 

ecc_33

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alls i can say is be careful to not get the "old" billet hold downs. Rumor has it that they are still on shelves
 

coker6303

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Sorry to hear bro. stay positive, these are the hurdles to be the best of the best

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ripmf666

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We need threaded injector cups. Unfortunatly, i dont think the billet hold downs will solve your problem, but i hope im wrong.


I was talking with someone not long ago and they had something like this in the works. I think they might be in the truck and running them and there on this forum and the truck runs low 10's so if he is running them or knows more about it we will see if he speaks up about them.
 

wrcknkrw

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sorry to hear. that's a lot of carnage from a common issue. hope it goes well and you're out on the track soon.
 

Kspen90

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Damn!!! It always sucks to hear about catastrophic failure happening to anybody's truck :( hope you get her fixed real soon
 

TrentNell

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thats insane Trent....so did the normal hold downs break?

no the hold downs don't break when they lift the cups.

We need threaded injector cups. Unfortunatly, i dont think the billet hold downs will solve your problem, but i hope im wrong.

I agree Rob , and thats one of the things we can do to fix it and have discussed , pretty simple but new cups have to be machined from scratch to do it , also are considering new cups made from aluminum and welding them in the heads.

Thanks guys, it sucks but no point in doing any thing else besides staying positive and just getting it fixed as soon as possible .
 

sweetdiesel

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Fack me!

I think there is another option actually 2

Someone is building a new style hold down as I type that holds it down from both sides,But not sure if it will work?

I am bring home some stuff from work called "baker thread lock" thats good for extreme temp and extreme pressure.

personally i havent lifted a cup YET, but I will:hello:


Sorry to hear about the carnage
 

Noreaster

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didn't somebody mention using green loctite & haven't had a failure but pulling the cups out again would be next to impossible?
 

duramax3388

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Sorry to hear this Trent. I would say that for a real fix anyway you look at it is going to require new cups being made. I think like Pat said the best fix is lly or lbz heads. Or can you guys not get enough fuel out of these injectors as you can the lb7's
 

paint94979

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You know what my vote is... LLY swap, then the thing will actually be fast.... Maybe :D