kryptonite race centerlink with heims

Wikid

Machinist and Know things
Oct 21, 2016
88
0
6
Texas
If your not every day driving them in weather, they will last, but like all heims, your correct, that can be an issue.

The race cut center link ( inner screw in still tie rod end) no matter the regular or heim set up will be a crazy loss of steering.. No more starbucks drive through or u turns... its about a 25% - 30% reduction in steering radius. Can have some serious tire roll or push when trying to turn sharp low speed

The street to strip (SS) center link. Very minimal, 2%-5% and the only difference you will have some tire roll or push. This is an awesome set up for daily drive and weekend racer.
Thats what i was really curious about. Thanks im going to have them swap it out for the ss version then

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
 

Budneeds2beers

Aka Mike Honcho....
Aug 25, 2016
497
4
18
Cali
Im thinking of dmaxstore krypt fell setup. I dd my truck but i do beat on it in the des quite often. I only hear about drag racing what about offroad? Still a good idea? Also your saying with that setup ill loose turning radius? Trying to get the low down before i buy this setup.
 

N2BRK

Well-known member
Dec 31, 2009
2,060
392
83
You ever just run everything but the upgraded center link? If so how did it act. Im trying to justify not spending another pile of money on steering again...

I did. I was running the kryptonite and Moog problem solver arms, along with cognito braces. I didn't like the braces much, so when I installed the High Roller Idler I yanked the braces. That setup on a max effort stock trans tune let me beat the crap out of it with no complaints!

Once I did the trans and turbo I rolled the kryptonite centerlink on my first launch. It was ugly. Lol.

I have a video of what the idler pin looked like after. Fortunately it took one for the team and there was no additional damage. Added the dhd brace and lower control arm bracket and she's solid again.
 

N2BRK

Well-known member
Dec 31, 2009
2,060
392
83
I checked - that was a zero psi 4wd launch. It was after Mark's in person tune. Prior to that I wasn't having trouble. Lol. Big smile :)
 

Wikid

Machinist and Know things
Oct 21, 2016
88
0
6
Texas
I checked - that was a zero psi 4wd launch. It was after Mark's in person tune. Prior to that I wasn't having trouble. Lol. Big smile :)
Thats crazy. Ive done 12psi 4wd launches with stock stuff and just sleeves and the brace its all worn out crap too

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
 

N2BRK

Well-known member
Dec 31, 2009
2,060
392
83
at least it drove home after that! Lol. Bend beats snap! The kryptonite rolled right up - that pin shows it. I got under there and jaw dropped. It's was all rolled up but still steering, lol. I put a big boy wrench on the hex bar to see if I could unroll or snap it off and it laughed at me. Serious forces at work there!
 

Chevy1925

don't know sh!t about IFS
Staff member
Oct 21, 2009
21,743
5,911
113
Phoenix Az
Im thinking of dmaxstore krypt fell setup. I dd my truck but i do beat on it in the des quite often. I only hear about drag racing what about offroad? Still a good idea? Also your saying with that setup ill loose turning radius? Trying to get the low down before i buy this setup.


It will hold up very well. I run a setup very similar to dmax store (it's what they copied from) and it does well. Being that they use larger tie rod ends than I, it would be even better suited

I was the rescue rig in Glamis for my dads broke car. We were way back in the middle of those dunes in my pic. Lots of throttle at 600hp in 4wd and I yanked her out. Towed my 5th wheel home no issue lol
c01cfe5c669abe29868669b52b487cdd.jpg
 

Budneeds2beers

Aka Mike Honcho....
Aug 25, 2016
497
4
18
Cali
James, what about on the street did you loose turning radius? Ive seen another thread where a guy changed the tierod end to hiems and double sheared the spindle. Thinking i might copy that.
 

Chevy1925

don't know sh!t about IFS
Staff member
Oct 21, 2009
21,743
5,911
113
Phoenix Az
I didn't loose any turning radius but the geometry is so f**k on this lift kit, I probably won't notice it till I redesign some things and fix it.

Now on other trucks I have installed this on, the last 1/2 turn to 3/4 turn of the steering is where you notice the "tire scrubbing". Low back space wheels or rims that increase scrub radius makes the lack of Ackerman amplify as well.

I always recommend the kryptonite kit that uses the inner tie rod behind the centerlink. It has half the leverage the stock centerlink has and will hold up very well anything can break like shown in this thread. I've bent centerlink, fabtech tie rods, idler arm support, and so on. It comes down to keeping angles happy and staying on top of worn parts. I keep my cv and steering angles almost flat at ride height. Ball joints and steering parts last a long time now
 

Dukcaln

New member
Dec 6, 2014
111
0
0
Nor California
I did. I was running the kryptonite and Moog problem solver arms, along with cognito braces. I didn't like the braces much, so when I installed the High Roller Idler I yanked the braces. That setup on a max effort stock trans tune let me beat the crap out of it with no complaints!

Once I did the trans and turbo I rolled the kryptonite centerlink on my first launch. It was ugly. Lol.

I have a video of what the idler pin looked like after. Fortunately it took one for the team and there was no additional damage. Added the dhd brace and lower control arm bracket and she's solid again.

you rolled the kryptonite centerlink cause you had a weak link in your steering set up and a hot tuner.
 

Dukcaln

New member
Dec 6, 2014
111
0
0
Nor California
James, what about on the street did you loose turning radius? Ive seen another thread where a guy changed the tierod end to hiems and double sheared the spindle. Thinking i might copy that.

Dude

PM what the truck is set up like now, to include tire size and wheel info, lift ot not and what you want to do with the truck

I will give you some solid set up options to include what steering parts would be good for and or questionable or even a no no..

Save yourself from the guessing game and do it once, do it right.

Learned a thing or tow working the tech line and with the guys in the shop!!
 

Chevy1925

don't know sh!t about IFS
Staff member
Oct 21, 2009
21,743
5,911
113
Phoenix Az
What was my weak link? LOL



The idler should have held up better with the way that dude talked about how strong they were (original builder) but I'd never run our steering setup without some kind of double sheer setup on atleast one of the arms.

I hate the cognito braces though. They are weak and could be made so much better....
 

N2BRK

Well-known member
Dec 31, 2009
2,060
392
83
the pin he uses bent. The idler arm remained perfectly in spec. His pin is made from 4150 Chromoly and has a yield strength of 55,000psi. Weak link? LOL
 

Harbin_22

Active member
Dec 4, 2010
3,858
7
38
Southern Indiana
The idler should have held up better with the way that dude talked about how strong they were (original builder) but I'd never run our steering setup without some kind of double sheer setup on atleast one of the arms.

I hate the cognito braces though. They are weak and could be made so much better....

Hey now, mine have been perfect for the last 60k miles of pure abuse lol
 

Chevy1925

don't know sh!t about IFS
Staff member
Oct 21, 2009
21,743
5,911
113
Phoenix Az
the pin he uses bent. The idler arm remained perfectly in spec. His pin is made from 4150 Chromoly and has a yield strength of 55,000psi. Weak link? LOL


It could be made of unobtanioum and some guys would still bend/break it in single shear. It's half the reason I have not put heim joints at the knuckle end of my truck. I will only do it if it is double sheared, even if I use some Billy bad ass bolts.

Double shearing significantly strengthens a part and does not give it a chance to break in this situation unless another part gives first. Cognito braces are weak but put it with that big idler arm and you will break/bend other parts. You still have leverage with any kit that puts the inner tie rod behind the centerlink. If you don't control the front end rise or have hurt/worn parts or just beat on it with a level front end, your gunna bend that stuff

Hey now, mine have been perfect for the last 60k miles of pure abuse lol


Lol they work for lots of guys out there but there is a ton of improvement that can be done. No one can though due to the patents. They flexed when used with my stock center link and I still wore idler/pitman arms out in 10k. If you keep steering angles sane, parts tight, and know how to launch the truck, they work well. I'd rather them work for guys leveled and use 4wd off road though.