#%^*ing thieves
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Funny you should ask. I don't even have a gun. I just whip out my peepee, and when the victim looks down, I punch them in the face, then help myself to their belongings while they lay there unconscious. Nothing macho about that. Now who here wants to sword fight?
Just to clarify, you can never use deadly force to protect your property.
If your life is in danger protecting your property you can....
I agree with the gun issue. I don't see reason enough to shoot someone. However, i was told by the local law enforcement that Alabama as well as several other states laws are written like the following: If someone is trespassing or in your home unlawfully you are to offer them a chance to evacuate. If you tell them they are to leave and refuse. You are then allowed by law to shoot them. BUT you aren't allowed to kill them, only a minor blow such as the foot, hand, or something of that nature. I didn't believe the officer so i asked multiple local officers and they all told me the same exact thing.
EDIT: In some states you aren't allowed to shoot to injure an invader. Your are required by law to flee your own property! And to some people who are saying " You wouldn't shoot someone over that." I have shoot at a drunk colored man in my back yard trying to tamper with my ranger. Asked him to leave he didn't pay attention. The second time i asked he looked at me laughed and walked towards me. Well in my book third strike and your out. I keep a loaded benelli hung over my french doors out of my dining room. Loaded as follows two target shot followed by two buck shot. I unloaded the first in the air. He just kept approaching my house. I then shot about 6 foot in front of him as a warning. The next was aimed at his foot before he started to flee. I called the county police and they caught him about 2 mins up the road. Come to find out he was drunk and his toxicity level was so high he almost had overdosed on cocaine. I live in the sticks and yes things like this happen around this area alot. I wouldn't ever shoot anyone unless they had been given atleast two fair chances or pulled a weapon one. I am the kind of person who doesn't just think about the individual but rather what their family would go thru from him or her being injured. So i still can't say i would honestly shoot someone.
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A lot of states are like that, you cant shoot someone for being on your property, and trespassing. Interesting you can wound them in Al though lol. Alabama has now a Castle Doctrine law which is pretty new. That means you can stand your ground and if they attack you can use deadly force.
Now states like Colorado have whats to referred to "make my day" law.
Someone comes into your domain, and is committing a crime, you can use deadly force.
Gotta love Alaska
AS 11.81.335. Justification: Use of Deadly Force in Defense of Self.
(a) Except as provided in (b) of this section, a person who is justified in using nondeadly force in self-defense under AS 11.81.330 may use deadly force in self-defense upon another person when and to the extent the person reasonably believes the use of deadly force is necessary for self-defense against
(1) death;
(2) serious physical injury;
(3) kidnapping, except for what is described as custodial interference in the first degree in AS 11.41.320;
(4) sexual assault in the first degree;
(5) sexual assault in the second degree;
(6) sexual abuse of a minor in the first degree; or
(6) robbery in any degree.
(b) A person may not use deadly force under this section if the person knows that, with complete personal safety and with complete safety as to others being defended, the person can avoid the necessity of using deadly force by leaving the area of the encounter,, except there is no duty to leave the area if the person is
(1) on premises
(A) that the person owns or leases;
(B) where the person resides, temporarily or permanently; or
(C) as a guest or express or implied agent of the owner, lessor, or resident;
(2) a peace officer acting within the scope and authority of the officer's employment or a person assisting a peace officer under AS 11.81.380;
(3) in a building where the person works in the ordinary course of the person's employment; or
(4) protecting a child or a member of the person's household.
AS 11.81.335. Justification: Use of Deadly Force in Defense of Self.
(a) Except as provided in (b) of this section, a person who is justified in using nondeadly force in self-defense under AS 11.81.330 may use deadly force in self-defense upon another person when and to the extent the person reasonably believes the use of deadly force is necessary for self-defense against
(1) death;
(2) serious physical injury;
(3) kidnapping, except for what is described as custodial interference in the first degree in AS 11.41.320;
(4) sexual assault in the first degree;
(5) sexual assault in the second degree;
(6) sexual abuse of a minor in the first degree; or
(6) robbery in any degree.
(b) A person may not use deadly force under this section if the person knows that, with complete personal safety and with complete safety as to others being defended, the person can avoid the necessity of using deadly force by leaving the area of the encounter,, except there is no duty to leave the area if the person is
(1) on premises
(A) that the person owns or leases;
(B) where the person resides, temporarily or permanently; or
(C) as a guest or express or implied agent of the owner, lessor, or resident;
(2) a peace officer acting within the scope and authority of the officer's employment or a person assisting a peace officer under AS 11.81.380;
(3) in a building where the person works in the ordinary course of the person's employment; or
(4) protecting a child or a member of the person's household.
You are correct, but at that point you are protecting your life and not your property. Again, you can never use dealy force to protect your personal property.
Just make sure that you can articulate why you (or another person) were at risk for death or serious bodily injury and hope that the physical evidence backs up your statements. :beatdeadhorse:
Makes me love Canada. We just punch each other in the face like men till the cops show up - well for the most part anyways.
A buddy of mine is down in Pennsylvania working and he got into it with a dude in a bar who was running his mouth. When he called him outside to dance they weren't outside a min and buddy that was runnin' his mouth pulled a gun on him. FN pussy.......
But like previously posted, you never know what you would do if you caught someone stealing your stuff until your put in that position so really those that haven't had it happen to them should really just stfu!!
A buddy of mine is down in Pennsylvania working and he got into it with a dude in a bar who was running his mouth. When he called him outside to dance they weren't outside a min and buddy that was runnin' his mouth pulled a gun on him. FN pussy.......
But like previously posted, you never know what you would do if you caught someone stealing your stuff until your put in that position so really those that haven't had it happen to them should really just stfu!!
Some of you guys are nuts. If someone pulls a weapon on me I will do everything I can to make sure they don't get a chance to use. I'm not willing to risk weather or not they are going to use it.
Last year some thug wanted to steal some ladies car and had her at knife point. She resisted because her baby was in the car and he killed her and took the car/baby.
Maybe where you live, but that ain't true for everywhere.
Last year some thug wanted to steal some ladies car and had her at knife point. She resisted because her baby was in the car and he killed her and took the car/baby.
Maybe where you live, but that ain't true for everywhere.
Funny you mention that. Today i called my lifting buddy to see why he didn't meet me at the gym. His reply was you didn't hear.... He got jumped by four guys while he was walking out of the sports bar. They threw him down and he was kicked in the face with steel toe boots multiple times! And he is by no means a small guy! He can do double the weight i can at any exercise. He maxes at 430lbs on bench. He didn't get a single lick in. His titanium wedding band is all scratched and mildly bent supposably.
Sorry for the derail... Derail over.
At the time this was many years ago my business was in a very bad area some might call it the ghetto. The type of area where they'd walk up to your vehicle ask for a cig,money or if you wanted to buy drugs. Why else would a white boy be in their area for? So everyday I for my saftey use to carry daily. Sometimes I'd have to go there late at night for a alarm also. I never went there with out my gun.
Nonetheless it was a splur of the moment lets go have a few beers. Being it's also illegal to leave it in a vehicle not on private property and also in the area I was in I kept it on my person. If I knew I was going out I would have left it in the office. It's not something I do often but it happens unfortunately.
Well I am speaking about the entire United States, I don't know about the rest of the world. I suspect most civilized coutries have similar laws as the U.S.
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Good luck they're a lot of pistol packing Pete's here and lawyers.
My interpretation is very simple. If deadly Force is being used on you or your family or a third party then you have the right to use deadly force. If not good luck and I hope you have deep pockets defending yourself in the court of law because it will be YOUR burden to prove why you used deadly force.
Look at what cops go through when they discharge a fire arm! And they're COPS! Unfortunately scumbags,crooks have rights too.
Individuals should review the Castle Doctrine in their state.
CGS § 53a-19 establishes the circumstances under which a person can use physical force and deadly physical force to defend himself or someone else without being convicted for assault, manslaughter, or murder. This law does not explicitly address civil cases in which the injured person or his or her estate seeks damages caused by using force in self defense.
Under this statute, a person may use reasonable physical force on another person to defend himself, herself, or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of physical force. The defender may use the degree of force he or she reasonably believes is necessary to defend himself, herself, or a third person.
The law establishes special rules for using deadly force to defend one's self or another person. Specifically, the law prohibits anyone from using such force unless he or she (1) reasonably believes that the attacker is using or about to use deadly physical force or inflicting or about to inflict great bodily harm and (2) knows he or she cannot avoid the need to use deadly force by retreating. But the law specifies that a person does not have to retreat before using deadly force if he or she is in his or her dwelling or workplace.
A related statute establishes the circumstances under which someone can use force to defend his or her premises. Under this law, a person who possesses or controls property, or has a license or privilege to be in or on it, can use reasonable physical force when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes it to be necessary to stop another from trespassing or attempting to trespass in or upon it.
Just as in the case of using deadly force for self defense or a defense of another person, the law establishes special rules for using deadly force in defense of premises. Specifically, the law allows a person who possesses or controls property, or has a license or privilege to be in or on it, to use deadly physical force only:
1. to defend himself, herself, or someone else if he or she reasonably believes that the attacker is using or about to use deadly physical force or inflicting or about to inflict great bodily harm;
2. when he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent the trespasser from attempting to commit arson or any violent crime; or
3. to the extent he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to stop someone from forcibly entering his or her dwelling or workplace, and for the sole purpose of stopping the intruder (CGS § 53a-20).
Generally, the “castle doctrine” provides that someone attacked in his or her home can use reasonable force, which can include deadly force, to protect his or her or another's life without any duty to retreat from the attacker. It is defined differently in different states.
The word REASONABLE has MANY definitions!
Id bet on that also. Kinda like body builder guys you see at the bar always thinking they are the shit. Cant tell ya how many times thats not worked out in their advantage. Its the ones that dont cry "I have big nuts" that you have to worry about. Id take my chances any day getting the upper hand with a gun toting mugger if I didnt have mine with me. Once that adrenaline starts pumping your in a completely different mind frame and NOONE can say what they would do. Only thing to judge that is previous experiences with the same emotions flowing. I know what Id do judging from previous experiences but ALOT of people dont have that to go off of. Most people will choke when it really comes down to it. Ive seen it personally with many of friends. Some have it most dont. Just hope the situation never arises and you wont have to find out what the outcome is. Its purely instincts.
Mackin - Didnt they teach you in CCW (or did you have to have one?) that an unloaded/un-chambered gun in worthless? If its not chambered why carry it? If you worry about it going off then get another gun...plenty out there that you dont have to worry about. Around here we cant have loaded gun while in bar drinking. Was talk about carrying without drinking in these places but dont know what the outcome was.
I'm no lawyer or law enforcement officer, but I do know how to read. I don't know of too many ways to interpret this law.
X2, everybody acts like you will rot in prison for the rest of life if you shoot someone stealing from you, breaking in, raping your wife, etc.
And to all the arguments stating:"well he had a gun to my face, if I would have reached for mine he would have shot me". Well guess what, you were to slow..... If someone is in my house or shop, my pistol is already out. That doesn't mean I'm going to shoot some meth head stealing scrap from me, what it does mean is: my weapon is drawn and targeted in, so his next actions determine what happens from that point on.
