ok seeing as this thread is about me i guess i need to explain the entire picture. as andrew said 2 1/2 months ago i purchased a "complete port and polished lb7 heads" from this thread :
http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40511
As andrew states in his post:
have a set of
ported and polished LB7 heads with Comp hardware.
These heads are complete and ready to be installed. I have build sheet from Geddes racing for all labor and information. $1200.00 buyer pays shipping. I can post pictures or send pictures to who ever wants to see.
I pm'd andrew and purchased the heads from him.. i have since gotten a new phone and do not have the old text messages and do not remember word for work what was stated on how far the heads were ported. This is my shortcoming on not either saving these messages or writing down what was said. i accept full responsibility for this. after i purchased the heads Andrew shipped them very timely and packaged very well. they were wrapped in foam and paper.. they made it to my house with no damage the box still in perfect condition.. i then opened the box pulled one head out gave it a quick once over... said sweet! and rewrapped them and put them back into the box they came in the exact same way that they were shipped from florida... i then took that box and put it at the foot of my bed in my own bedroom right next to some other parts i have been stock piling for a future build. There was never anything put on the box.. I work 6 days a week and dont have much time to do this build so i set them aside for now. several days ago i took them to a head porting shop and asked them to give them a once over... check for flatness, pressure test them, flow test them and give me some numbers. I then received a phone call from the owner of the company whos name is Jim galto.. owner of Galto racing enterprises
http://www.greracing.com/ Jim faxed me a copy of the email he tried to send me i have scanned it in to my computer as a PDF... I have attached this email... jim was very busy today and said he will send a more detailed email on his finding, recommendations , and the results of what would happen had i used the heads in the current condition, whenever he gets home tonight.. i am still awaiting this email. i then contacted Andrew Murdock and informed him of my findings... these are the texts off of my phone.... c= me
a= andrew
c..This andrew murdock?
a..Sure is
a..Something i can help you with?
c...This is corey Trump. ctrump90 on duramax diesel's forum. I purchased your "port and polished comp hardware complete set of lb7 heads" from you in late june. When i bought them i opened the box and saw two heads and put them into storage until i was ready to start my build. I recently pulled them out and sent them to a professional head shop to get them checked over and flowed. I just got off the phone with them and they informed me that the heads are not runable at all in there current condition. Some of The valves were stuck in the head, guide liners were loose and some pulled out with valves, and the ports are still the stock size. I asked u when i bought these to get me a build sheet for them. You never did. Idk about you but if i spent that kind of money on heads i wouldve saved documentation to show what they had for future proof. After seeing these and getting a professional verification of what there condition is i am not excepting these. i want to know what you are willing to do to correct this situation... i honestly would just like to ship them back and have my money back instead of trying to redo these heads... i have a fax from the head shop if you desire any further evidence.
a..I sent you it twice. In picture form as a text
Message. what you did with it is your issue. I even gave you the number of the machine shop that did the work. When I sent those heads they are in working order. They were packaged accordingly with plenty of padding. What you did with them from when you received i don't know. All i can tell you is you can call the machine shop in colorado springs to verify work done.
c...the picture you sent me was a build sheet of an complete engine not specifically what was done to the heads. And after that i told u i had broken my other phone lost all pictures and needed it resent. You never provided me with that. And yes the heads were packaged correctly in the box. But the heads i received are not in a reliable working order. The head shop will not clear them in there condition to be put on a motor. In risk of a rocker arm breaking due to valves being stuck or a valve sticking down and slamming into a piston. The guides are completely worn out in these heads... if i wanted a set of worn out used heads i would have purchased them... i bought a set of ready to go port and polished heads that were only run for a "short time"
You had informed me that they were run for a short time. A short time does not wear out the guides. I can buy a set of stock heads that do not need valve work for alot less. Im willing to work with you to at least get the heads runable. Or i can ship them back from the head shop straight to you and you can see for yourself.
a..Sorry man but i sold you a set of used heads. Everything that i said was done to them, was done. All hardware i said they had, they had. With that being said. Take your issue up with the machine shop. They were literally on my truck for 1,000 miles after they had that work done to them. The quality of work isn't my fault as i am not a machine shop
c..Why did u pull them off. Honestly
a..Full motor build
a..Rods pistons cam crank
c..Why not reuse your heads again then if they were already done?
a..Torque lock heads came out and i bought them. Was going to put those on another motor i was going to start but didn't have the time High horsepower LB7s are known to lift cups, i didnt want to take the chance and so-cal was re designing their billet hold downs at the time
c..I bought heads from an end user not a machine shop. You sold them as good usable heads. They are not usable heads. I want my money back.
a..Sorry you feel that way. Without knowing what you've done with them i'm certainly not going to give any money back. Ive given you all documentation needed to prove that they have all hardware and work that was stated.
c..I have done nothing to them.but take the box with heads still in packaging to head shop and they pulled valves out and informed me of condition. That is it.
a..Like i said, you can call the machine shop that did the work and talk to them
c..The machine shop wont talk to me i didn't have them built. You did. If anything you need to call them not me
a..What is the machine shop wanting to do a valve job?
c..Yes. New valve guides and hopefully just lap the valves...he said about 450 to make them usable
a.I would be willing to split the cost with you, but i want to see a something from the machine shop
a..I honestly didn't know there was anything wrong with the heads. I started a thread on duramax diesels asking people and one of the guys from Elite diesel said they have been having problems with that machine shops work
c..i just got some more info from them... ill try and forward it to you... also i will give u the phone number and name.of the shop if u want to speak to them your self. Im really not attempting to do anything here but get what i thought i paid for. The head shop is jim galto racing enterprises his phone number is 815-344-7672... ask for jim he is the owner.
a..I believe you, just have him email me something and i'll call when i can.
Like i said, i'd be willing to split the cost of the valve job with you.
c..Ok when he sends me the email ill forward it to you...what is ur email address. Well after finding out the heads arent fully ported and gasket matched i have to have them reported and finished... so then with buying them a valve job and reporting i would be in to them 3300 bucks... and i can buy new already done for that... i know it sucks ass man and after what i read on the forum this shop seems to have that issue.....but i was supposed to get a set of ported and polished heads.... ready to go... if i knew i had to have them ported again i wouldnt have bought them... i have cores in my garage i couldve used no problem..the shop gets 2 grand per set... with a core of 250. So im out 800 bucks and basically what i have is nothing better then the cores on my floor due to the fact they arent truly ported... the exhaust outlet was never touched still stock size. I know ur not a machinist or what not and u just bought them but it sounds like this shop got ya...and i paid for a product that wasnt delivered. Im sorry this happened to ya but now its costing me a ton of money to correct... i dont feel thats right... because due to the work they need... so even at half the money to fix the valves i basically still am left with a set of heads that are not.much better than stock which i could buy on the forums for 400 bucks all day at the most. See where im coming from?
a..I showed you the build sheets. Im willing to help with the valve job. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness Technically i don't have to help at all. However I am offering to do so. I showed you the build sheets, told you what they said and you acknowledged. I never claimed to be a machinist and went off of what was on the paperwork.
c..So because this shop sold u a set of "ported heads" that really arent done and screwed u then now i are just gonna roll it on down hill on to my shoulders? I understand your not a machinist but if your in this business and have a built truck and work for a company that builds transmissions shouldnt u know that the heads werent fully ported?
a..First and foremost my work has nothing to do with it. Secondly. Never once did i say full race port. In the add it stated port and polished heads with comp hardware. Which is what they are. I had no idea of the quality of the work. I've offered what i'm comfortable doing to help you out. You can take it or leave it. I'm not arguing or contesting the fact any longer. So like i said. I'm willing to help pay for half the valve job. Or your machine shop and try and take the matter of quality of work up with the original machine shop.
throughout all of this conversation there were pictures exchanged from the head guy..i will post with phone later...i feel that i just want to ship back the heads and have my money returned... i have 1050 in them right now if i remember correctly... now to fix them to even put them on an engine the head shop would do it for 450. but if i want them ported out properly it will be 1200 dollars more... so i would have a total of 2700 in to a set of heads...if andrew split the bill of fixing just the valves not porting that would be an 250 i would not have to cover... so a grand total of 2450 in ported heads... im sorry but that is way to much money when i can take the set of perfectly good stock heads i have and put 1200 into them and still have another 1500 in my pocket... granted they would not have the comp hardware but i can purchase that myself... Jim just sent me the detailed email i will copy and paste it here..
Corey,
Your Duramax heads should be gone through prior to using. During disassembly for the flow test you requested, several valves were "stuck" in their guides and had to be driven out. Some of the guide liners started to come out with the valve. The lack of clearance can cause the valve to "seized up" in the guide which can result in piston to valve contact and/or broken rocker arms. The valves that were not "stuck" in their guides were very loose, which causes oil consumption.
I hope this explains the problem for you. Sorry about the bad news. This can you all be corrected with guide work and a fresh valve job.
if i am out of line by asking to return them for a refund then someone please state so.. i am not hiding anything here i have put everything on here and just a hard working young man trying to have a nice end product when i am finished to go kick some cummins hind end... that is all.. and when someone else gets not what they paid for then resell it and it causes me problems that doesnt seem right to me..i just want to send them back and start fresh with my own instead of trying to "save a buck"... after this ordeal i will no longer buy such large items that are used... i will go new from now on... i hold nothing personal against andrew but that is alot of money to me and i am building this one piece at a time... and this is a major set back for my plans... so please if anyone else has a better solution speak up... but looking at the numbers it is wiser for me to start anew and get a refund... i wil even pay for the return shipping if i get all of my money back...thank you... Corey
