"DIRTYMAX1" Tune Review

[othrgrl]

Same day, same track, no BPU diesel has outran Wendy in over two years, any brand, any year, any track. With Chris in Iraq and on the opposite coast when he is home, the same day same track is gonna be a little tough. He did mention he might get sent to a base in CA when he gets back, so you might get your race. And we can say that no BPU LBZ of any make and configuration has outrun Chris's truck at ANY track on ANY day - and he did it on all terrains with less BPUs than most of the others that have tried.

BTW, Wendy ran 12's at high altitude without "Intake, Downpipe, or Drag Radials" and with no weight reduction. Congrats and Chris did 12s before the lift pump or shimmed FPRV with no weight reduction

Any doubt that the LBZ could outrun a LB7 with similiar mods was removed that morning. Can't argue that, I completely agree that LBZ+ trucks are the fastest tuning only trucks.

Where were all the new crop of Master Tuners when this happened? I've seen you mention this a few times now. Are you saying that if someone wasn't on the fore front of something they don't belong there? I'm sure you of all people know that motorsports are constantly getting more competitive and faster and it usually takes new talent and ideas to challenge the veterans to improve. But to answer your question I was serving my country in the United States Marine Corps and January 07 was right before I went to Iraq - sorry I missed the race.

Answers in blue and all of the answers are not aimed directly at you.

The slower trucks are always the ones that complain about it being lighter, colder day, lower altitude, different color, ect. Strip weight and run at the lowest track on the best day - you're the one trying to catch the faster truck, the faster truck isn't going to add weight and run at a worse track to compare to you.

 

[TheBac]

Same day, same track, no BPU diesel has outran Wendy in over two years, any brand, any year, any track. No TTS "tune-only" truck in our area has gotten within a 1/2 second and 5 mph of Wendy, and this is the home of the Extreme LB7 trucks.

But it was never intended to make it the fastest. When Kat bought it, she said "make it run 12's, be smooth, and get 20mpg". She has resisted my efforts to take it up a notch. No secret squirrels lurking, and dozens of trucks have followed our advice and setup and run similiar numbers.

Much like Casper was to the LLY's, Wendy has been benchmark showcasing what is possible with LBZ's as well as a tutorial on how to get there.

BTW, Wendy ran 12's at high altitude without "Intake, Downpipe, or Drag Radials" and with no weight reduction, back in 01/07when LACR was still in operation. That was pretty much the day that the LBZ became the King of the diesel pickups. No diesel had ever run 12's on tuning at that track, which was used for most all the West Coast diesel shootouts. Any doubt that the LBZ could outrun a LB7 with similiar mods was removed that morning.

Where were all the new crop of Master Tuners when this happened?

Um, Pat...no disrespect intended to you or Kat, because I have the utmost respect for your accomplishments, but until you guys run a 12.3x to beat Moss (12.35) and Skintback (12.39) you still arent the fastest stock Dmax truck, any version. I hate to say it, and hate tooting my own horn, but you still havent bested Chris or me, either. Again, I am sorry, but its the truth. I personally have 9 sub-12.50 runs over two years at two different tracks (I dont race much).

As for the part about Extreme trucks, TTS tuning is not the best for LB7s anymore, and hasnt been for two years. Apologies to Cole (I cant believe I just posted that), but if you dont continually innovate, you fall behind. The fastest LB7s are all running some form of EFILive, whether its Nick, Tony or Rob's tuning.

 

[McRat]

Um, Pat...no disrespect intended to you or Kat and all you do, but until you guys run a 12.3x to beat Moss (12.35) and Skintback (12.39) you still arent the fastest stock truck. I hate to say it, but you still havent bested Chris or me, either.

As for the part about Extreme trucks, TTS tuning is not the best for LB7s anymore, and hasnt been for two years. Apologies to Cole (I cant believe I just posted that), but if you dont continually innovate, you fall behind. The fastest LB7s are all running some form of EFILive, whether its Nick, Tony or Rob's tuning.

Those in the East don't run very well out West. We have had many trucks and cars come out West that couldn't come close to their East ET's.

Blue ran 13.1 in Texas, but out here, it could only muster about 13.5 IIRC. Casper ran .3-.4 faster when run East of the Rockies as well.

This is very common. A TTS LB7 Extreme CC will run about mid 13's here. With all the little tricks, about 13.1.

 

[TheBac]

BTW, back to the gist of this thread, but whats the deal concerning the insinuation that there are "some tuners" copying others tunes and selling them as their own? Who's doing it anyway? Just would like to know. Send me a PM if its not something that should be out in the open.

 

[McRat]

PS - I'm pretty sure an LBZ or LMM will hit 11.9x with just BPU's at the right track someday. Just get the weight under control and have a well prepped track with good air.

 

[TheBac]

Those in the East don't run very well out West. We have had many trucks and cars come out West that couldn't come close to their East ET's.

Blue ran 13.1 in Texas, but out here, it could only muster about 13.5 IIRC. Casper ran .3-.4 faster when run East of the Rockies as well.

This is very common. A TTS LB7 Extreme CC will run about mid 13's here. With all the little tricks, about 13.1.

Well, until you come East or we come West, the times are what they are. Its just one of those things, and goes back to what Dustin just posted two posts ago.

PS - I'm pretty sure an LBZ or LMM will hit 11.9x with just BPU's at the right track someday. Just get the weight under control and have a well prepped track with good air.

I think that goes for all Dmax versions, not just the newer trucks. But getting a perfect day at a racetrack is extremely rare. Just gotta deal with the conditions as they are.

 

[LBZ]

I think that goes for all Dmax versions, not just the newer trucks. But getting a perfect day at a racetrack is extremely rare. Just gotta deal with the conditions as they are.

I disagree. A stock LB7 will NEVER run a 11.9 in stock form. The trans alone will not hold it nor will the fuel system be able to support the amount required to make that much power to go over 100mph. This would even be hard for an LLY.

 

[racinmike77]

no stock trans will run 11.99, elevation and 60' are the two most important factors to ET other than tuning.

 

[SteveFord]

To me it dosen't matter where when or what you did to run the number. If you ran the number and have proof than congrats. I've ran faster in drag racing at other places than Iowa for sure. The weight thing to me is a preference. I won't strip my truck down other than the spare and tail gate until it won't go any faster and then maybe I'll do it. I know my truck will run faster and quicker than my sig says and I need to go to a 1/4 mile as when it hits 4th and 5th it pulls hard. I'm sure Tom has some 12.30's easily in it by his 60ft's being high for the time. Funny thing is there are some stock turboed trucks running faster than aftermarket ones.

 

[IdahoRob]

I really thought the LBZ stock would be king. Turns out that all 4 are very close and that the person that pays attention to the little things does well now matter what platform they are using.

EFI has opened all kinds of good things for us.

I've not run any of the "fast" tracks yet with my truck and do believe the certain tracks have a big advantage as I have witnessed this many times when someone brings a "fast truck" to an event and they run slow, and when leaving they are just shaking there heads.

There used to be a fast track here in the NW that is at 1900'. Used to be an easy .2-.3 faster than my home track. I'll be up there in a couple months, I may have to take the second charger off and run the stocker

 

[Subman]

I'm getting confused here, (not too difficult most of you say), but for the sake of this discussion which has totally hijacked this thread, what are we calling "stock?" Is it just a stock turbo? What about a totally stock truck with just tuning? Intake, exhaust, tranny, no lift pump etc. Now we're talking fastest with just a tune. Mind you I've never had one of those for longer than it took to build the tranny, but to me that is stock. If we all agree that the tranny has to be reworked, or it all a moot point then is that our starting point? Help an old man out here.

 

[JoshH]

PS - I'm pretty sure an LBZ or LMM will hit 11.9x with just BPU's at the right track someday. Just get the weight under control and have a well prepped track with good air.

Maybe I'm slow or maybe I missed it when it was defined earlier, but WTF is BPU?

I'm getting confused here, (not too difficult most of you say), but for the sake of this discussion which has totally hijacked this thread, what are we calling "stock?" Is it just a stock turbo? What about a totally stock truck with just tuning? Intake, exhaust, tranny, no lift pump etc. Now we're talking fastest with just a tune. Mind you I've never had one of those for longer than it took to build the tranny, but to me that is stock. If we all agree that the tranny has to be reworked, or it all a moot point then is that our starting point? Help an old man out here.

I think what is being discussed is stock engine, turbo, and fuel system (excluding a lift pump). Pretty much everything else is upgradable I guess.

 

[Kat]

no stock trans will run 11.99, elevation and 60' are the two most important factors to ET other than tuning.

It was done already. Lar's truck ran 11.9x on the bottle with a stock transmission.

I wonder what his fastest #2 time was since weight doesn't matter.

Still sucks that truck was stuck in that fire It was sure a awesome truck.

 

[The Neens]

BTW, back to the gist of this thread, but whats the deal concerning the insinuation that there are "some tuners" copying others tunes and selling them as their own? Who's doing it anyway? Just would like to know. Send me a PM if its not something that should be out in the open.

You're kidding, right?

 

[JoshH]

It was done already. Lar's truck ran 11.9x on the bottle with a stock transmission.

I wonder what his fastest #2 time was since weight doesn't matter.

Still sucks that truck was stuck in that fire It was sure a awesome truck.

Very sad what happened to that truck. It was a very sweet truck.

 

[ripmf666]

There had been alot of people taking other tunes.Anyone that has owned a PPE tuner has copied there tunes.You can pick up a Diesel Power Mag and read that so and so is running PPE tuning and also using Efi Live hmm and how are they doing this.

 

[TIM Z]

There had been alot of people taking other tunes.Anyone that has owned a PPE tuner has copied there tunes..

Not Me, I Sold My PPE Before I recieved my EFI live. Sure I paid for both but i didnt think it was right to copy my PPE before selling it. I have morals.

I like my EFI tuning better anyway but if EFI wasnt around i'd definitley still have my PPE, great tuner.

 

[othrgrl]

nor will the fuel system be able to support the amount required to make that much power to go over 100mph. This would even be hard for an LLY.

There are ALOT of stock turbo, stock fuel system LB7s and LLYs trapping over 100mph - I know of as high as 108. With aftermarket turbos and or twins there are people trapping over 110 on stock CP3 and injectors. If you mean with no lift pump I'm faily sure someone has trapped over 100 in an LB7/LLY without one and I know for fact that a few LBZs have done it.

I really thought the LBZ stock would be king. Turns out that all 4 are very close and that the person that pays attention to the little things does well now matter what platform they are using.

I agree with the second sentence but I really feel it is easiest with the LBZ. Honestly there wasn't much attention to detail on Chris's truck except the tuning. He had stock intake, downpipe, shocks, springs with clamps, dropped torsions, and all terrain tires on PYOs. We built his trans, installed an AirDog, shimmed his FPRV and he had a 5" downpipe back and sleeves and centerlink. Nothing special or unique about the truck's setup. I can't wait to see how it does when he gets back and we address all those details and add the normal BPUs.

I'm getting confused here, (not too difficult most of you say), but for the sake of this discussion which has totally hijacked this thread, what are we calling "stock?" Is it just a stock turbo? What about a totally stock truck with just tuning? Intake, exhaust, tranny, no lift pump etc. Now we're talking fastest with just a tune. Mind you I've never had one of those for longer than it took to build the tranny, but to me that is stock. If we all agree that the tranny has to be reworked, or it all a moot point then is that our starting point? Help an old man out here.

Pretty much what Josh says.

Maybe I'm slow or maybe I missed it when it was defined earlier, but WTF is BPU?

I think what is being discussed is stock engine, turbo, and fuel system (excluding a lift pump). Pretty much everything else is upgradable I guess.

BPU is Basic Performance Upgrade which is basically anything except turbo, injectors, CP3, and internals. Building the trans has pretty much become a BPU since you need it long before most other upgrades. The exhaust from the heads to the turbo is questionable - some say a BD manifold is okay but that headers and/or up-pipes isn't??? To me that's like saying an AFE stage 1 intake or drop in filter is okay but anything more isn't??? I feel any exhaust mod is fine.

 

[05smoker]

It was done already. Lar's truck ran 11.9x on the bottle with a stock transmission.

I wonder what his fastest #2 time was since weight doesn't matter.

Still sucks that truck was stuck in that fire It was sure a awesome truck.

As for a stock tranny going 11s, I loved that truck but don't count it. It was a Dmax transplant into a stripped short bed. If Orange Crush went 11s on stock trans it'd be no different. I think the fastest ever on a stock trans is a 12.78.

I agree with Rob. We have found ways to make them all stupid fast. I think there is room for another tenth or two but that also might be the next truck starting a thread about a popped piston as well. 11s I'm doubting.

As for the fastest LMM, I hope a truck from Ohio can take that back this weekend in its first time back to the track since last fall. Gotta get it ready for Pinks on May 30.

 

[DIRTYMAX1]

I disagree. A stock LB7 will NEVER run a 11.9 in stock form. The trans alone will not hold it nor will the fuel system be able to support the amount required to make that much power to go over 100mph. This would even be hard for an LLY.

We took a 03lb7 ec/sb 2wd with (tranny, convertor, exhaust, slicks, and tune) NO lift pump!!! It ran a 12.72 @104.50.