Cranks

[LBZ]

Well for years, most builders have been saying liquid is not the way to go. Not sure what to believe but I already have an ATI flywheel purchased and a stock dampener with the keyway cut so that's what I am going with.


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[Noreaster]

What's special about the banks balancer? The ati is what SoCal diesel has recommended for ever. But they sell that too so it's just like banks lol. I like hearing these decisions

looks like a fluidampr but has that 6 bolt hub, might be for attaching a blower pulley?

 

[Mikey]

What's special about the banks balancer? The ati is what SoCal diesel has recommended for ever. But they sell that too so it's just like banks lol. I like hearing these decisions

I haven't seen 1 Banks balancer for sale and the topic was not necessarily brand but vicious vs rubber bands. Gale told me that the rubber bands would never last their 800 hours of wide open throttle tests. The rubber bands would only last less than an hour.

 

[Fingers]

Well, most dampeners use a vulcanized rubber that is injected between the two balancer masses. It bonds to the metal. No rubber bands......

 

[Mikey]

Well, most dampeners use a vulcanized rubber that is injected between the two balancer masses. It bonds to the metal. No rubber bands......

Ok bonded rubber bands

The point is they won't last as compared to viscous and most importantly are not as effective with harmonics.
Again from Gale, and again I have not seen any for sale by them.

 

[Fingers]

No rubber bands....

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[PACougar]

I'd like to see Gale run one of his engines wide open for 800 hours.

 

[Mikey]

No rubber bands....

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Again not the point
But ok

 

[Mikey]

I'd like to see Gale run one of his engines wide open for 800 hours.

Call him

 

[PACougar]

Again not the point
But ok

I think his point is when someone misleads you by saying rubber bands, they're probably not being completely truthful, or they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Mikey]

I think his point is when someone misleads you by saying rubber bands, they're probably not being completely truthful, or they don't know what they're talking about.

I'm sorry I mentioned rubber bands
Gale did not
I was just going with Fluidampners knock

 

[Mikey]

Call him

 

[PACougar]

I'm sorry I mentioned rubber bands
Gale did not
I was just going with Fluidampners knock

Gotcha.

 

[EDP]

I would take an ATI over all the above mentioned on any application mainly in a higher HP setup.

Here is a some CAD files for your viewing pleasure on where the Rubber band idea is coming from. No matter the Damper after X period of time they all should be replaced.

 

[Mikey]

I would take an ATI over all the above mentioned on any application mainly in a higher HP setup.

Why?
What proof says they are better than viscous?
I still have not seen anything except here say.
Gale swears by them and I haven't seen 1 viscous add from Banks.
Not to bash but I am trying to get real world info.
Thanks for any!

 

[Bigdirtylbz07]

I would take an ATI over all the above mentioned on any application mainly in a higher HP setup.

Here is a some CAD files for your viewing pleasure on where the Rubber band idea is coming from. No matter the Damper after X period of time they all should be replaced.

Just out of curiosity would this mean by putting a new aftermarket balancer on to replace a current aftermarket one after x amount of time, that the rotating assembly would need rebalanced?

 

[EDP]

Why?
What proof says they are better than viscous?
I still have not seen anything except here say.
Gale swears by them and I haven't seen 1 viscous add from Banks.
Not to bash but I am trying to get real world info.
Thanks for any!

Simple weight factor alone is a very good reason on why I would steer clear of Fluid Damper beings that it is the heaviest out of all the options. Also note that on motor refreshes builds over an extended period of time that the Fluid damper will need a re balance, while the ATI will hold consistent counter balance harmonics. Have scene this numerous times.

Just out of curiosity would this mean by putting a new aftermarket balancer on to replace a current aftermarket one after x amount of time, that the rotating assembly would need rebalanced?

No as long as the proper year ATI is installed per vehicles crank you will not need a re balance of simple install for street applications.

 

[Fingers]

Holy heck, this got out of hand while I wasn't looking. I'll have to clean it up.

 

[Fingers]

OK, Back on topic.

Is there a basic advantage to a fluid Vs solid balancer? Probably not. A well constructed one of either will probably last just fine. The issue is if one is better at absorbing harmonics than the other. (HARMONIC balancer)

THAT can only be told by testing.

Any takers?

 

[MarkBroviak]

OK, Back on topic.

Is there a basic advantage to a fluid Vs solid balancer? Probably not. A well constructed one of either will probably last just fine. The issue is if one is better at absorbing harmonics than the other. (HARMONIC balancer)

THAT can only be told by testing.

Any takers?

How do you want to test it Jon?