Can a Duramax spin to 10,000?

Mike

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Sure it would work, but the engine comes out a lot harder in a F/S truck than in a drag car.

Coolest thing about this engine, is not the RPM turned, but the Efficient energy the engine produces with so little fuel. Single Cp3, and no tuning at all, just a start up street tune. And its as clean as the banks truck, with out progressive controllers!

Thats what impreses me the most.

Wade, I fiind it hard to believe rpm has anything to do with why you are making more power and that efficiency could be accurately measured to indicate such.

HP = Work over time. HP = BTU HP is calculated from Torque and RPM.

1000hp using 85 gallons an hour at 75 theoretical percent efficiency( very short/slow burst low heat rejection time ).

1000hp using 79 gallons an hour at 82 theoretical percent efficiency ( same short use burst with low heat rejection ) would be a 10 percent increase in engine efficiency.

The only benifit I see with higher rpm is torque multiplication with gearing. Mainly time with the great amount of torque.

Let's just say that 22 percent ( total ) effiencent engine is now raised to 24.2 percent total, that is a huge improvement but still hardly measureable in the 1/8th mile.



Edit: I'm probably looking at the whole picture wrong. The way less amount of fuel I presume at higher rpm's is probably the lack of total hp at the higher rpms. 1000hp at 3500 rpm has a negligable difference for BTU's of fuel in my perception than 1000hp at 6500rpm. So the way I see it having equal hp between to different engines, it takes the 6500 rpm and lower gearing to do the same work the 3500rpm can do with higher gearing. My question should be, what is the torque curve and does the higher rpm afford more time in that torque curve considering the lower gears.... I think I'd rather spend my million dollars on a transmission that never shifts and can keep my engine at a near sustained rpm while still drastically increasing transmission output rpm under tremendous load. :D
 
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Brayden

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Everything has a lifespan, I built mine specific for what im doing, it should last about 50 -75 passes, maybe longer. I've beat this engine to death, Bad bogs, 5500 rpm launches, 3200 rpm launches, aggresive tire shake, dead hooks, Lots of stalls, several other dumb things as well, and i turn it at least 5600+ every pass.

I Run 40+ psi and shove the engine with 2.5 lbs of nitrous in each 1/8 mile pass, with no intercooler.

Time will certainly tell.

I'm assuming these engines are internally balanced?
 

Mike

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There are things that have to be addressed, in a stock "based" engine. Certainly i wouldent turn a standard engine more than 4800-5k or so on a regular, and that will be limited IMO

I can tell you for certain I ran these high rpm's with my truck stock. For sure saying this lead to my easy access and visual abilities to the inside of the engine but, I still only had compressed/bent rods for damage. Ya, I know, still not pics. More propaganda. :angel:
 

Mike

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Truthfully i know alot of things in this industry, but im not going to destroy anothers livelyhood, to gain a little. Especially when there are more than one side to every storie

I wouldent want the same done to me. It's been done to me and i wont do it to others. I've learned this lesson a few years ago.

It would be better to say nothing than to have doubt surounding the " expert " portrayed and statements not backed up.
 
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Akdiesel

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I'm just looking at it from an average joes perspective. I have no dog in the fight, am not a parts dealer or parts builder. I just can look at all the tech and expensive lessons people on this board have shared for the sheer love of diesel motorsports and can't fathom why your high RPM motor is so top secret. Maybe I don't understand it all because I don't have the means/money to but it would make sense to share to further our sport/community than keep your nose in the air and speak in vague and veiled manners :thumb:
 

The Neens

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Truthfully i know alot of things in this industry, but im not going to destroy anothers livelyhood, to gain a little. Especially when there are more than one side to every storie

I wouldent want the same done to me. It's been done to me and i wont do it to others. I've learned this lesson a few years ago.

Same here...I hate when people call/ask the "pros" about what works/doesn't work, ask for tips for their project, then obtain parts from other sources, claim the ideas as their own and don't acknowledge the people who gave them free information...It's happen to some friends of mine from this forum, usually takes a few years to surface...F'n pathetic...

Another goof-off thread turns Tech!
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Congrads on the 10,000 posts McPat :hug:
 

Mike

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Same here...I hate when people call/ask the "pros" about what works/doesn't work, ask for tips for their project, then obtain parts from other sources, claim the ideas as their own and don't acknowledge the people who gave them free information...It's happen to some friends of mine from this forum, usually takes a few years to surface...F'n pathetic..

Priceless :cool2:
 

Diesel power

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Wade, I fiind it hard to believe rpm has anything to do with why you are making more power and that efficiency could be accurately measured to indicate such.

HP = Work over time. HP = BTU HP is calculated from Torque and RPM.

1000hp using 85 gallons an hour at 75 theoretical percent efficiency( very short/slow burst low heat rejection time ).

1000hp using 79 gallons an hour at 82 theoretical percent efficiency ( same short use burst with low heat rejection ) would be a 10 percent increase in engine efficiency.

The only benifit I see with higher rpm is torque multiplication with gearing. Mainly time with the great amount of torque.

Let's just say that 22 percent ( total ) effiencent engine is now raised to 24.2 percent total, that is a huge improvement but still hardly measureable in the 1/8th mile.



Edit: I'm probably looking at the whole picture wrong. The way less amount of fuel I presume at higher rpm's is probably the lack of total hp at the higher rpms. 1000hp at 3500 rpm has a negligable difference for BTU's of fuel in my perception than 1000hp at 6500rpm. So the way I see it having equal hp between to different engines, it takes the 6500 rpm and lower gearing to do the same work the 3500rpm can do with higher gearing. My question should be, what is the torque curve and does the higher rpm afford more time in that torque curve considering the lower gears.... I think I'd rather spend my million dollars on a transmission that never shifts and can keep my engine at a near sustained rpm while still drastically increasing transmission output rpm under tremendous load. :D

You kinda lost me there, but here is your answer.

TQ X RPM ='s HP!

Our tune is a 600hp street tune!! It's making much more than 600 hp, that equals effiecient energy!
 
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Diesel power

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Same here...I hate when people call/ask the "pros" about what works/doesn't work, ask for tips for their project, then obtain parts from other sources, claim the ideas as their own and don't acknowledge the people who gave them free information...It's happen to some friends of mine from this forum, usually takes a few years to surface...F'n pathetic...
Congrads on the 10,000 posts McPat :hug:
10,000
Thats a lot of posts!!



The folks that steal ideas, and claim others work dont get anywhere, most likley never get up and running, because there too stupid to know the next step in completeing the package.

Folks that have "the" origonal idea's inplace can carry it out from begining to end, Complete the package, and get there project running and are out making passes!
 

Mike

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You kinda lost me there, but here is your answer.

TQ X RPM ='s HP!

Our tune is a 600hp street tune!! It's making much more than 600 hp, that equals effiecient energy!



Nope, not quite ( TQ X RPM ) / 5252 = HP , but you knew that right.

Surely don't want to make this look like an arqument, could you explain the 600hp street tune thing.
 
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Diesel power

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Nope, not quite ( TQ X RPM ) / 5252 = HP , but you knew that right.

Surely don't want to make this look like and arqument, could you explain the 600hp street tune thing.

From what i understand the tune i have is a tune johnboy made 600hp with on a street vehicle??
 

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how can you compare a street tune in a truck to your tune in race truck??? everything is not the same here .
example : his stock injectors to your 60 overs or whatever wont flow same fuel .
I understand this is just one example but you get the idea
Im not a tuner and thats why I rely on Rob for , but i understand i cant run a stock tune on my truck with bigger injectors and expect same results
 

Mike

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Mike, i dont know the answers your looking for.

Ask John if you really want to know anything tuning related.

Nah, I don't want to know about the tune, you bank on too little information is all. I think you might have taken Johns comment about a relationship to the 600hp too serious. As I posted, I was wondering what the engine specs where of the 600hp statement. I'm not here to judge or argue so I'll let it rest.

I just want you to understand that some of the things you say make absolutely no since or sound as if you are the expert on the subject. I think we all take things literally some times and read too much into others.
 
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Mike_S

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Wait...you are running a tune designed for a stock-ish duramax engine in an engine that is just about as far from that as one can get? Seems to me like that would mean there is alot to be desired in the tuning area there...
 

Mike_S

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yeah, perhaps i misunderstood what he was saying...I was under the impression that there had not been any engine-specific fine tuning to the high rever that he was running. :eek:
 

Diesel power

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The purpose of the "light" tune was to ensure that the engine could handle it first. We did not know that it would produce almost twice the power though.

now we know, and race season is over!

We have lots of data and will be making several changes over the winter.