BD Intercooler

TrentNell

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Not that I know of... spell check did not pick anything up?

My specs come from my gauges, track times, feedback...you know...real world stuff!

Have you tested a Bar and Plate design at 800HP and 70PSI in your dmax?

i think he is asking if your statement that the bar and plate design
cant take 1600 deg and 70 psi boost ? or did you meen bar and fin ?
 

Killerbee

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I see how it is.

If your real world experience showed 1600F exposure to your CAC, I am obviously outgunned here by imagination. :hello:

I was trying to be helpful. A pressure drop number without an air flow rating is worth zero in the "real world".
 
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1lowdiesel

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i think he is asking if your statement that the bar and plate design
cant take 1600 deg and 70 psi boost ? or did you meen bar and fin ?

that's what i was thinking he meant. bar and plate and stuffed fin designs. they use the extruded design. he actually has fixed it now.. to 500*
 
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Dave at BD Diesel

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I see how it is.

If your real world experience showed 1600F exposure to your CAC, I am obviously outgunned here by imagination. :hello:

I was trying to be helpful. A pressure drop number without an air flow rating is worth zero in the "real world".

helpful... I have been on these forums long enough to know when I am being called out lets be honest here.

The 1600 degree was a typo, it should have read 500 and is corrected, anyone reading it I am sure picked up that I posted EGT's not charged air temps, if that is the only thing you can pic my post apart on I am doing better than I thought. ;)
 

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Thanks for heads up 1lowdiesel!

The Extruded Tube Design core we use is the highest quality core design available, you do not need to be an engineer to appreciate the difference between this design and the others...

Extruded_Fin_Tube.jpg

Looking at that cut-away image not only shows a clear flow advantage but also shows a reliability improvement. The extruded tube design will eliminate heat distortion that is typical of the bar and plate and stuffed fin and tube designs. When using these intercoolers in applications that create more heat and pressure than they were designed for increases the heat distortion factor resulting in failure. These bar and plate designs are not engineered to see 500 degrees and 70+ PSI of boost!

We have been using these intercoolers in the Dodge Cummins powered diesels for a few years now in applications over 800HP and I assure you the 150-200 degree drops in EGT's are real! I know we are talking about the Duramax here but the results are the same.

I run a 03 Dodge with an A/C condenser in front of the cooler and I see noticeable differences at the track. My X2 records minimum and maximum values and after installing the BD Cool-It Intercooler the temps were about 10% lower on average... not a huge drop but never the less still a reduction!

A typical intercooler using bar and plate technology will usually net a 3-4 PSI boost loss, with the extruded design we see less than 1 PSI boost loss. Picking up 2-3PSI of boost will also contribute to lower EGT's... again not huge gains but when we are talking about the track, everything helps.

Now that covers about 5% of the target market, the other 95% that are using these trucks as a work horse see tremendous benefits in everyday towing, especially at altitude!

One more thing I would like to add that ties in with the A/C condenser topic....

The BD Cool-It Intercooler flows better from front to back not only from left to right. The design of the tubes and the fact that there are more tubes that are narrower not only allows for better cooling of the charged air but also result in better flow through the front of the cooler. This results in lower coolant temp allowing more air into the transmission cooler, the radiator etc...

Like the slogan says..."when you know the difference, you will choose BD"

Impressive. Looks like you folk did your homework.
 

McRat

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What I'm not sure KB realizes is that for racing apps, we are running 3 times the air mass as stock, sometimes higher.

What applies to 245rwhp, 22psig stock trucks doesn't always translate to 800rwhp, 60psig hotrods.
 

Dave at BD Diesel

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Intercooler Tanks

Killerbee

What testing have you done or experience do you have with welded end tanks or ballooning of the end tanks?

An engineer such as yourself should appreciate the supports we have engineered into our cast end tanks to prevent ballooning.

Does anyone know if the competitors do this?
 

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lotsofmiles

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I think the factory one is smaller on the van?
I'd might be willing to let you try one out on my van if you need a product tester.
 

Killerbee

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I'm not calling anyone out. I just pointed out innocent innaccuracies or typo's for your benefit , and you turned into a .... (this occurred before you edited your statements), blinded by the perception that you were being attacked, it happens on forums a lot. Moving on.

I do realize value in more mass-ive and S.S. intercooling for the MAF being discussed, and I have no reason to doubt the claims here, just wanted to help them make sense. If 2 or 4 psi can be saved at high flow rates, that is a BIG savings in compression heat generation, and big density increases.

I get it, sorry for the upheaval. I will stay out of the way, meant no harm.
 
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I'm not calling anyone out. I just pointed out innocent innaccuracies or typo's for your benefit , and you turned into a .... (this occurred before you edited your statements), blinded by the perception that you were being attacked, it happens on forums a lot. Moving on.

I do realize value in more mass-ive and S.S. intercooling for the MAF being discussed, and I have no reason to doubt the claims here, just wanted to help them make sense. If 2 or 4 psi can be saved at high flow rates, that is a BIG savings in compression heat generation, and big density increases.

I get it, sorry for the upheaval. I will stay out of the way, meant no harm.

I also meant no harm and apologies if I took your comments as cynical, that text for ya...

also moving on...

I was not being sarcastic when I asked if anyone knew if any or our competitors were using internal supports in their end tanks...

I know I should know this but can anyone confirm if the others have internal supports to prevent ballooning or have had problems in this area like we have? Is this even an issue that you guys are seeing on the Duramax?

It was a BIG problem on the Dodge and our end tanks were developed through trail and error. I am not sure if you guys know that our first version of the Cool-It Intercoolers used welded tanks with no support, they passed the engineering test that we did in house but real world experience proved other wise. In some high HP trucks the welds were splitting and we had to bring the failed units back and redesign the end tanks which delayed the re-release by almost 6 months, not to mention a few disappointing customers. I think our claims department did a good job of taking care of these customers but never the less its never a good thing to have a product like this fail in the field.

No hard feelings!
 

Dave at BD Diesel

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Yes, intercooler failures are a significant problem for the big turbo guys.

Where are they seeing the failures; end tanks?

Are the failures boost leaks or more catastrophic?

Did you guys see the plastic tanks that Chrysler used in the in the 04's... now that is funny. :rofl:
 

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Where are they seeing the failures; end tanks?

Are the failures boost leaks or more catastrophic?

Did you guys see the plastic tanks that Chrysler used in the in the 04's... now that is funny. :rofl:


Yup, usually end tanks. Some of the Dmaxes have plastic end tanks as well, IIRC. Plastic isn't always bad; it depends on how it's engineered.
 

Dave at BD Diesel

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Yup, usually end tanks. Some of the Dmaxes have plastic end tanks as well, IIRC. Plastic isn't always bad; it depends on how it's engineered.

Plastic can be engineered to amazing strengths but it has its place, IMO I do not think it belongs in a 500 degree environment with more than 40PSI. I think our tech that had a near miss last yer would agree with me on that one!
 

Dave at BD Diesel

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Agree. The Zytel end tanks seem to have the biggest problem as dissimilar thermal expansion, compared to aluminum. IMO, it has always been a dumb combination, and is one of GM's big warranty he4adacjhes today.

Hey KB, you got an e-mail I can send a pic to, I don't want to post it but I think you will enjoy it... and no its not X-Rated LOL

Dave