Has anyone tried one? Bigger, thicker, cast ends, will hold 100psi etc......and :Canada_Flag::Canada_Flag:
BD Intercooler
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POURNCOAL a member here is running one might ask him how he likes it . it looked pretty good even the core is a different design suposed the be the biggest area of the bunch. i had some pics from the release but i didnt save them .he is a competiton truck though so doubt he has towing results ect .
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BD uses a different type of fin design that allows them to cool more efficently and have a larger surface area. here is a pic.
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what design?
On appearance it looks like a poor transition on the inlet/outlet.
it has an extruded tube design. which allows them to have a larger surface area.
here are some other fun facts about it.
-Better flow, internally and externally. (by external I mean through the
front face into the engine compartment, cooler water temps etc...)
-Less heat distortion
-Less than 1 PSI boost loss
-Cast end tanks versus welded (I think most competitors are using cast
now versus welded) We take it a step further, If you look at the pics I
attached you we see some webbing to the cast end tanks we add to prevent
ballooning.
BD Intercooler w/ high efficiency w/low pressure drop extruded tube= 2.56 x 38 x 20.54
Frontal surface Area = 780.52 sq in
Cooling Volume = 1998.1 cu in.
Efficiency: >90%
Pressure Drop < 1 psi
Banks Tube and fin = 1.94 x 20 x 37.5
Frontal Area = 750 sq in.
Cooling Volume = 1455 cu in
Stock = 37.6 x 18.6 x 1.6
Frontal Area = 699.4 sq in
Cooling Volume = 1119 cu in
BD Frontal Area 12% More than stock
BD Cooling Volume 79% More than stock
BD Frontal Area 4% More than Banks
BD Cooling Volume 37% More than stock
here are some other fun facts about it.
-Better flow, internally and externally. (by external I mean through the
front face into the engine compartment, cooler water temps etc...)
-Less heat distortion
-Less than 1 PSI boost loss
-Cast end tanks versus welded (I think most competitors are using cast
now versus welded) We take it a step further, If you look at the pics I
attached you we see some webbing to the cast end tanks we add to prevent
ballooning.
BD Intercooler w/ high efficiency w/low pressure drop extruded tube= 2.56 x 38 x 20.54
Frontal surface Area = 780.52 sq in
Cooling Volume = 1998.1 cu in.
Efficiency: >90%
Pressure Drop < 1 psi
Banks Tube and fin = 1.94 x 20 x 37.5
Frontal Area = 750 sq in.
Cooling Volume = 1455 cu in
Stock = 37.6 x 18.6 x 1.6
Frontal Area = 699.4 sq in
Cooling Volume = 1119 cu in
BD Frontal Area 12% More than stock
BD Cooling Volume 79% More than stock
BD Frontal Area 4% More than Banks
BD Cooling Volume 37% More than stock
No effort to rain on anyones parade, but important to mention, as long as you retain an air conditioning condenser, changing the CAC is something of a waste of $$$. It raise ambient as much as 50 F. If you want better intercooling, the smart money stays in your wallet. Just remove the condenser, or at least switch off the AC.
You can defeat AC under high throttle in the tuning, but it takes 30 seconds to blow off most of the stored heat, so that is pointless, except for towing maybe.
You can defeat AC under high throttle in the tuning, but it takes 30 seconds to blow off most of the stored heat, so that is pointless, except for towing maybe.
understood, but not everyone has custom tuning , nor does anyone want to remove the condensor on a DD. something that drops your egt's year round w/o maintenance is ok in my book. might not be wise money spent for you, but the guy that's towing his 40' 5th wheel in the mountains will sure love it.
i imagine that would work well, like putting a rad back there. that's alot of ac line though.
i imagine that would work well, like putting a rad back there. that's alot of ac line though.
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yup. did one on an LMM and logged EGTs before the cooler and after and it dropped 150*-200* across the board. also that was with the stock charger.
yea i typed it
. that was under a load on level 6 w/ a PPE hot+2 et. it's quite the size difference between the two not only in the thickness but also the inlet design.
i know you're the air guru but that is what i saw.:hello:
. that was under a load on level 6 w/ a PPE hot+2 et. it's quite the size difference between the two not only in the thickness but also the inlet design.i know you're the air guru but that is what i saw.:hello:
i have worked on alot of meal carying trucks that have a/c coold bed boxes and they mount the condinser's on the roof of the truck and yes alot of line but seem to work just fine . i wont do this to my truck but figured some might .
and KB only way to answer your question is to buy one and test it . know one has done really scientific before and after testing but all i know that have replaced the IC have saw egt drops but mainly in a towing /heat soke situation . WOT runs i dont think you would see it . but idaho rob did some before and after track testing for power gains and i think he picked up a few tenths and a few mph , wich is quite significant to me .
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Tracks won't allow (or at least shouldn't allow) you to get on the track with the AC running, the dripping water makes the track dangerous for the guy behind you in line.
1low - how does it compare to a Spearco?
1low - how does it compare to a Spearco?
the spearco as far as i know uses the same bar and fin or stuffed fin design as banks. haven't physically tested one though. i shot dave an email about this thread some hopefully he has some more info on other brands to compare too.
Thanks for heads up 1lowdiesel!
The Extruded Tube Design core we use is the highest quality core design available, you do not need to be an engineer to appreciate the difference between this design and the others...
Looking at that cut-away image not only shows a clear flow advantage but also shows a reliability improvement. The extruded tube design will eliminate heat distortion that is typical of the bar and plate and stuffed fin and tube designs. When using these intercoolers in applications that create more heat and pressure than they were designed for increases the heat distortion factor resulting in failure. These bar and plate designs are not engineered to see 500 degrees and 70+ PSI of boost!
We have been using these intercoolers in the Dodge Cummins powered diesels for a few years now in applications over 800HP and I assure you the 150-200 degree drops in EGT's are real! I know we are talking about the Duramax here but the results are the same.
I run a 03 Dodge with an A/C condenser in front of the cooler and I see noticeable differences at the track. My X2 records minimum and maximum values and after installing the BD Cool-It Intercooler the temps were about 10% lower on average... not a huge drop but never the less still a reduction!
A typical intercooler using bar and plate technology will usually net a 3-4 PSI boost loss, with the extruded design we see less than 1 PSI boost loss. Picking up 2-3PSI of boost will also contribute to lower EGT's... again not huge gains but when we are talking about the track, everything helps.
Now that covers about 5% of the target market, the other 95% that are using these trucks as a work horse see tremendous benefits in everyday towing, especially at altitude!
One more thing I would like to add that ties in with the A/C condenser topic....
The BD Cool-It Intercooler flows better from front to back not only from left to right. The design of the tubes and the fact that there are more tubes that are narrower not only allows for better cooling of the charged air but also result in better flow through the front of the cooler. This results in lower coolant temp allowing more air into the transmission cooler, the radiator etc...
Like the slogan says..."when you know the difference, you will choose BD"
The Extruded Tube Design core we use is the highest quality core design available, you do not need to be an engineer to appreciate the difference between this design and the others...
Looking at that cut-away image not only shows a clear flow advantage but also shows a reliability improvement. The extruded tube design will eliminate heat distortion that is typical of the bar and plate and stuffed fin and tube designs. When using these intercoolers in applications that create more heat and pressure than they were designed for increases the heat distortion factor resulting in failure. These bar and plate designs are not engineered to see 500 degrees and 70+ PSI of boost!
We have been using these intercoolers in the Dodge Cummins powered diesels for a few years now in applications over 800HP and I assure you the 150-200 degree drops in EGT's are real! I know we are talking about the Duramax here but the results are the same.
I run a 03 Dodge with an A/C condenser in front of the cooler and I see noticeable differences at the track. My X2 records minimum and maximum values and after installing the BD Cool-It Intercooler the temps were about 10% lower on average... not a huge drop but never the less still a reduction!
A typical intercooler using bar and plate technology will usually net a 3-4 PSI boost loss, with the extruded design we see less than 1 PSI boost loss. Picking up 2-3PSI of boost will also contribute to lower EGT's... again not huge gains but when we are talking about the track, everything helps.
Now that covers about 5% of the target market, the other 95% that are using these trucks as a work horse see tremendous benefits in everyday towing, especially at altitude!
One more thing I would like to add that ties in with the A/C condenser topic....
The BD Cool-It Intercooler flows better from front to back not only from left to right. The design of the tubes and the fact that there are more tubes that are narrower not only allows for better cooling of the charged air but also result in better flow through the front of the cooler. This results in lower coolant temp allowing more air into the transmission cooler, the radiator etc...
Like the slogan says..."when you know the difference, you will choose BD"
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