triple cp3's

[sweetdiesel]

Less is more...How about a CP3 that is just bigger, than 2.5 stock ones

It might not be a joke.

that is the answer right there!

if we need to put 3 cp3s on a truck then we are not thinking right IMO

If we are running out of fuel, dont add a pump make the pump work for what we needJMHO

i dont have a cure,just want one

 

[Idaho CTD]

What is wrong with 3 pumps? IMO 3 stock pumps are more reliable then 1 modified pump. I've already built a triple pump set up for our race truck. It won't go on until we get the bigger injectors but it will go on before the Oct. 3rd race here in Boise so we can see what the trucks got in it before it takes the winter off.

 

[LBZ]

What is wrong with 3 pumps? IMO 3 stock pumps are more reliable then 1 modified pump. I've already built a triple pump set up for our race truck. It won't go on until we get the bigger injectors but it will go on before the Oct. 3rd race here in Boise so we can see what the trucks got in it before it takes the winter off.

3 pumps on 1 belt the same width is alot of stress for that one belt. Plus it draws HP to run it, more places for leaks, plumbing would be a bit of a nightmare depending on where it is mounted. And there goes your reliability claim.

And also it's un-needed IMO. Not too many people have trouble maintaining rail pressure with duals as it is-and those that are the soloution is already out there. Stroked CP3's!

 

[Idaho CTD]

An alternator or AC compressor draws just as much as a cp3 pump so it's not adding anymore stress on the one belt than it would with duals if one of those are removed. There is no need for triples unless your making more than what we are for hp. Obviously your not there or you'd see the need for more fuel. BTW it's only 2 cp3's on one belt. One is gear driven.

I have seen way more problems with modified cp3's then I have from plumbing leaks. That is why I would rather run another stock pump. If one fails it's way cheaper to replace as well. Modified pumps are very expensive for what you get in return. The most hp I've ever heard of on a modified pump (#2 only) is in the 800hp range. Duals are closer to 1100hp. If you can make 650hp on one stock one 200 extra hp isn't much for the cost of a "stroked" pump versus the 450hp you get from duals. Most people wont ever need it but the bang for the buck is with duals/triples.

 

[03-GMC]

Here you guys go!
ADP

 

[sweetdiesel]

An alternator or AC compressor draws just as much as a cp3 pump so it's not adding anymore stress on the one belt than it would with duals if one of those are removed. There is no need for triples unless your making more than what we are for hp. Obviously your not there or you'd see the need for more fuel. BTW it's only 2 cp3's on one belt. One is gear driven.

I have seen way more problems with modified cp3's then I have from plumbing leaks. That is why I would rather run another stock pump. If one fails it's way cheaper to replace as well. Modified pumps are very expensive for what you get in return. The most hp I've ever heard of on a modified pump (#2 only) is in the 800hp range. Duals are closer to 1100hp. If you can make 650hp on one stock one 200 extra hp isn't much for the cost of a "stroked" pump versus the 450hp you get from duals. Most people wont ever need it but the bang for the buck is with duals/triples.

If you had a lift pump that you didnt feel was enough to supply your cp3s with fuel, Would you install another pump OR get a pump that does the job in the first place?

I have no experiance with modded pumps and can understand why you would use stock,However IMO i just think that a 1 pump that is actually desighned to do the job would be better.JMHO

Is there a pump out there?I know Bosch says on there websites that they make custom racing pumps not sure on the cost or availibility?

Good luck on the 3rd :cool2:

 

[fishsmith]

Here you guys go!
ADP

That is classic!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

The dual argument will almost always continue. An alternative is approaching reality, it will make the stroker pump we pioneered seem rather smallish.

 

[05smoker]

An alternator or AC compressor draws just as much as a cp3 pump so it's not adding anymore stress on the one belt than it would with duals if one of those are removed. There is no need for triples unless your making more than what we are for hp. Obviously your not there or you'd see the need for more fuel. BTW it's only 2 cp3's on one belt. One is gear driven.

I have seen way more problems with modified cp3's then I have from plumbing leaks. That is why I would rather run another stock pump. If one fails it's way cheaper to replace as well. Modified pumps are very expensive for what you get in return. The most hp I've ever heard of on a modified pump (#2 only) is in the 800hp range. Duals are closer to 1100hp. If you can make 650hp on one stock one 200 extra hp isn't much for the cost of a "stroked" pump versus the 450hp you get from duals. Most people wont ever need it but the bang for the buck is with duals/triples.

I'm with Nathan. I have yet to see concrete proof that a single stroker can outperform a set of stock duals. Plus they have proven reliable.

 

[Idaho CTD]

If you had a lift pump that you didnt feel was enough to supply your cp3s with fuel, Would you install another pump OR get a pump that does the job in the first place?

I have no experiance with modded pumps and can understand why you would use stock,However IMO i just think that a 1 pump that is actually desighned to do the job would be better.JMHO

Is there a pump out there?I know Bosch says on there websites that they make custom racing pumps not sure on the cost or availibility?

Good luck on the 3rd :cool2:

The reality of it is cost. Because I can build my own stuff it is way more cost effective to add additional pumps. The idea of a single pump that would flow enough is a great idea but we aren't going to sit around and wait for it to become a reality. I do what I need to so we can get where we want to be. Just like your lift pump example....if adding a pump cures the problem what's wrong with it? I personally wouldn't do it if a larger pump was available but if it cures the problem it's a means to an end. Innovation is what drives any industry and there are more than 1 way to accomplish a goal. I honestly doubt a pump like that is going to be cost effective even compared to 3 pumps. You can buy new stockers for around 500.00. Besides the hardest part for a pump that size is going to be controlling the idle flow and keeping the rail pressure stock at idle. Can it be done? Sure but when?

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

The reality of it is cost. Because I can build my own stuff it is way more cost effective to add additional pumps. The idea of a single pump that would flow enough is a great idea but we aren't going to sit around and wait for it to become a reality. I do what I need to so we can get where we want to be. Just like your lift pump example....if adding a pump cures the problem what's wrong with it? I personally wouldn't do it if a larger pump was available but if it cures the problem it's a means to an end. Innovation is what drives any industry and there are more than 1 way to accomplish a goal. I honestly doubt a pump like that is going to be cost effective even compared to 3 pumps. You can buy new stockers for around 500.00. Besides the hardest part for a pump that size is going to be controlling the idle flow and keeping the rail pressure stock at idle. Can it be done? Sure but when?

Please tell me where to get them for that price, I will buy a truck load!

 

[Accelerator]

Why 3 pumps? II's 3.4 stock flows 230% more than a stock 3.3 pump...


in modded trim they have gotten it to flow almost 300% more than a stock 3.3, and thats not even stroked.

Thats where the future is, at least thats what i think.

 

[Accelerator]

Please tell me where to get them for that price, I will buy a truck load!

it's true i buy from my vendors at that price too.....

 

[Idaho CTD]

Why 3 pumps? II's 3.4 stock flows 230% more than a stock 3.3 pump...


in modded trim they have gotten it to flow almost 300% more than a stock 3.3, and thats not even stroked.

Thats where the future is, at least thats what i think.

Wade,

We all know your going to pimp II's stuff so do a little research and find out what the highest hp accomplished with a single cp3.4 is. Then look at what the cost to do a cp3.4 is. II touted the 3.4 as the greatest thing since sliced bread but way too many people had problems making them work and no one I know has made over 8XXhp. While you may be happy there to try and keep your aluminum rods alive we have steel rods in our motors and are already over 1000hp on fuel. Once again nothing has been proven with any of the "Ideas" or "Theories" as to making the kind of power we are making with a single pump. The reality is we can either go to dual modded pumps or 3 right now. Like I said above I'd rather go with 3 because they are less prone to problems and I can do it cheaper plus it will make more power.

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

Why 3 pumps? II's 3.4 stock flows 230% more than a stock 3.3 pump...


in modded trim they have gotten it to flow almost 300% more than a stock 3.3, and thats not even stroked.

Thats where the future is, at least thats what i think.

FYI, the 3.4 has a 8.5mm plunger and a 9.5mm stroke, this equates to a 50% displacement increase. The math does not lie, unless you don't know how to measure displacement. A 10mm bore x 10mm stroke is a 220% increase over the 3.3's 223LPH displacement. I guess outrageous numbers are the key to sales for some companies.

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

it's true i buy from my vendors at that price too.....

I call BS on it. If you can get new Bosch CP3's with no core charges for $500.00, then you both should really start selling them. I will give you a $100.00 profit on each one and buy 10 at a time.

 

[Accelerator]

I call BS on it. If you can get new Bosch CP3's with no core charges for $500.00, then you both should really start selling them. I will give you a $100.00 profit on each one and buy 10 at a time.

core's are waived if you buy 15 + at a time....i guess it's all who you know shane....

 

[Accelerator]

FYI, the 3.4 has a 8.5mm plunger and a 9.5mm stroke, this equates to a 50% displacement increase. The math does not lie, unless you don't know how to measure displacement. A 10mm bore x 10mm stroke is a 220% increase over the 3.3's 223LPH displacement. I guess outrageous numbers are the key to sales for some companies.

i guess you need to do some more reaserch as there are 4 different pumps of the same bodie size... and yes bigger internals too. But just because you dont know of them dont mean they dont excist.

 

[Big Block 88]

SO you know the right peole and right the pumps?

 

[Accelerator]

Wade,

We all know your going to pimp II's stuff so do a little research and find out what the highest hp accomplished with a single cp3.4 is. Then look at what the cost to do a cp3.4 is. II touted the 3.4 as the greatest thing since sliced bread but way too many people had problems making them work and no one I know has made over 8XXhp. While you may be happy there to try and keep your aluminum rods alive we have steel rods in our motors and are already over 1000hp on fuel. Once again nothing has been proven with any of the "Ideas" or "Theories" as to making the kind of power we are making with a single pump. The reality is we can either go to dual modded pumps or 3 right now. Like I said above I'd rather go with 3 because they are less prone to problems and I can do it cheaper plus it will make more power.

Your right, this is based on knowledge from 2006 on your part. because thats when brett made 8XX HP on fuel with a single charger and tiny 3-flows.... at the time it WAS the highest HP out of a CR let alone on fuel.....after that he sold his truck and never made another atempt with that size pump.

Dominator diesel uses them
GAWN uses them
Jorge alfonso uses them

and a few others, and they all have records of there own useing the 3.4 from II

Since then........ II has been building and making custom CP3 's with stuff no one else has, with the 3.4 it been in R&D for the last few years, because they know the potential, but i have not used one so it's JMO

I do know that they have a 33% pump 45% pump , 85% pump ,and now a 130-50% pump soon to be released with the stock sized pump.

My point was not to get in a pissing match, but i really wondered why folks were considering useing 3 stock pumps, and i offered an alternative, which i think would work better. again JMO