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TheBac

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IIRC, mirror plug is connected to the switch panel. You do have to pull the panel. No big deal.
Shoot...pulling door panels on these trucks is a absolute breeze compared to older cars. None of those assinine Christmas trees to deal with. Just a couple screws and lift the panel up off the plastic hooks.

$174 is a deal for those mirrors, assuming your truck had power ones.
 

magnethead494

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IIRC, mirror plug is connected to the switch panel. You do have to pull the panel. No big deal.
Shoot...pulling door panels on these trucks is a absolute breeze compared to older cars. None of those assinine Christmas trees to deal with. Just a couple screws and lift the panel up off the plastic hooks.

$174 is a deal for those mirrors, assuming your truck had power ones.
I don't need the heater though and i figure that's most of the price difference between 115 and 175
 

magnethead494

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IIRC, the LT mirrors in 01-02 had both heat and power.

Interesting, I will have to look at that

I understand the reason for a CDL due to the weight, but I've never heard of a recreation CDL before. Care to elaborate?

Its for RV's and heavy tow rigs. Some states call it a recreational CDL, others call it a noncommercial CDL. But the principle is the same, a CDL weight approval without the need of commercial driver log and such.
The gray area is having sponsors. Recreational/noncommercial by principle is not for income, and sponsors or racing in general is for income. There's been a lot of discussion on the gray area.
 

PhilsLB7

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Its for RV's and heavy tow rigs. Some states call it a recreational CDL, others call it a noncommercial CDL. But the principle is the same, a CDL weight approval without the need of commercial driver log and such.
The gray area is having sponsors. Recreational/noncommercial by principle is not for income, and sponsors or racing in general is for income. There's been a lot of discussion on the gray area.

Interesting, I'm learning something. When I was getting my CDL renewed once I met a guy that picks up new travel trailers at the manufacturer and delivers them to the dealer. He had to get a standard CDL because GVWR would be over 26,000 pounds and it was a commercial business. Recreational/noncommercial CDL must be an individual state thing.
 

magnethead494

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Interesting, I'm learning something. When I was getting my CDL renewed once I met a guy that picks up new travel trailers at the manufacturer and delivers them to the dealer. He had to get a standard CDL because GVWR would be over 26,000 pounds and it was a commercial business. Recreational/noncommercial CDL must be an individual state thing.
it is. Some states have it, some don't. And different states call it different things, and different states interpret sponsorships, racing, ect different ways. Regardless, if you're over GVCWR or over length (which most race rigs are that are RV pulled), CDL of any kind is better than no CDL.
 

magnethead494

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Here's how your Tennesee laws are written.

http://www.tn.gov/sos/rules/1340/1340-01/1340-01-13.pdf

2. Commercial driver licenses are not required for drivers who operate the vehicles described below, under the conditions specified for each:

(a) Vehicles which are controlled and operated by a farmer or nurseryman that are used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery, or farm supplies to or from a farm or nursery, and are not used in the operations of a common or contract motor carrier and are used within one hundred fifty (150) miles of the person’s farm or nursery;

(b) Vehicles designed and used solely as emergency vehicles which are necessary for the preservation of life or property, or the execution of emergency governmental functions performed under emergency conditions and not subject to normal traffic regulation. This exemption shall apply to vehicles operated by paid or non-paid personnel;

(c) Vehicles of the United States Department of Defense when operated by military personnel on active duty, members of the Reserves and National Guard on active duty including personnel on full-time National Guard duty, personnel on part-time training and National Guard military technicians or civilians who are required to wear military uniforms and are subject to the code of military justice;

(d) Vehicles designed and used primarily as recreational vehicles as defined in 1340-1-13- .02; or (see reference below)

(e) Vehicles leased strictly and exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members for non-business purposes. (U'haul exemption)


(3) Drivers who operate the vehicles described in subpart (2) above must comply with all requirements specified elsewhere in 1340-1-13-.03 and 1340-1-13-.04 for a Class D license with the proper endorsement. (see reference below)
(4) For up to six (6) months, non U.S. citizens who are employed in managerial or technical positions in this State may operate under a valid driver’s license issued by another state, country, or international body.

(9) Commercial Motor Vehicle means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle:
(a) has a gross vehicle weight rating (G.V.W.R.) or gross combination weight rating (G.C.W.R.) in excess of twenty-six thousand (26,000) pounds;
(b) is designed to transport more than fifteen (15) passengers, including the driver;
(c) is of any size and used in the transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purposes of the Hazardous Materials Transportation Act, 49 U.S.C. App. 1801 et seq., and which must be placarded, under the Hazardous Materials Regulations 49 C.F.R. § 172.500 et seq. (1993); or
(d) is used as a school bus.


Recreational Vehicle means every motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living
quarters for recreational camping or travel, as defined in American National Standards Institute (ANSI) Standards A 119.2 and A 119.5. The basic entities are: travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and park trailer.


(d) Class D. The license which must be issued and valid for the operation of any single vehicle with a G.V.W.R. of twenty-six thousand (26,000) pounds or less, or any combination of vehicles with a G.C.W.R. of twenty six thousand (26,000) pounds or less, and are not included in the definitions of Class A, B, C or M.

Authority: T.C.A. §§55-50-102, 55-50-304, 49 C.F.R. §383 (1992), and Title XII, Public Law 99-570, §12013. Administrative History: Original rule filed April 8, 1996; effective August 28, 1996.
 
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PhilsLB7

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Yep I just looked it up. I learned something new. :thumb:

TxDPS:
Class A, B, C, and M driver licenses are issued to individuals who are exempt from obtaining a commercial driver license (CDL) or who are not required to obtain a CDL.

NOTE: Individuals who are exempt from obtaining a CDL may still be required to obtain a Class A or Class B driver license if the type of vehicle driven meets the definition of a commercial motor vehicle.

Individuals who are exempt from obtaining a CDL but may need a Class A or Class B driver license are:

Operators of recreational vehicles driven for personal use
Some farmers who meet certain criteria
Operators of cotton-seed modules or cotton burrs
A fire-fighting or emergency vehicle operator
Military vehicle operators
Vehicles owned, leased or controlled by an air carrier
 

magnethead494

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Yep I just looked it up. I learned something new. :thumb:

TxDPS:
Class A, B, C, and M driver licenses are issued to individuals who are exempt from obtaining a commercial driver license (CDL) or who are not required to obtain a CDL.

NOTE: Individuals who are exempt from obtaining a CDL may still be required to obtain a Class A or Class B driver license if the type of vehicle driven meets the definition of a commercial motor vehicle.

Individuals who are exempt from obtaining a CDL but may need a Class A or Class B driver license are:

Operators of recreational vehicles driven for personal use
Some farmers who meet certain criteria
Operators of cotton-seed modules or cotton burrs
A fire-fighting or emergency vehicle operator
Military vehicle operators
Vehicles owned, leased or controlled by an air carrier
I just posted the long version for Tennesee :)
 

magnethead494

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Here's our nice easy to understand texas version :D

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetforms/Forms/CDL-2.pdf

The main issue is this: "Is a 32 foot enclosed trailer, which may or may not have commercial insignia, containing a racecar, which may or may not have commercial insignia, which may or may not be raced for income, considered a recreational OR non-commercial vehicle?"

Under TN law, It's not under the recreational exemption. Thus, race trailer must eb commercial if it is not recreational.

Pretty much same thing in texas.

Now if you have a 48 foot gooseneck with a shower and/or bathroom and/or sleeping quarters? Whole different ball game....it's an RV regardless of what is on it or in it.

That's why we are going to put a pair of fold-down double mattresses in the trailer, sideways murphy style. Technically, it is now an RV because it has "permanent" sleeping quarters. :thumb:
 

PhilsLB7

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Sounds like you need to get an old 48 ft goosneck travel trailer, gut the thing, and use that for your trailer. :rofl:
 

TheBac

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Interesting, I will have to look at that

Just went back and looked at the pic of your truck. IIRC, those mirrors should have a little "defrost" icon in the upper corner if they are heated. I am 99% sure the LT mirrors were that. You hit the defrost button on the HVAC unit to activate the mirror defrosters (along with the rear window).
 

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So our truck has the D48 mirrors, power non-heated.

I'm gonna wander down to the JY and just poke through and see what they have after pulling the door corner so I can see which plug it has to match. One yard is a they-pull-it inventory house, one is a you-pull-it graveyard.
 

TheBac

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Honestly, the best OEM tow mirrors you will find are the ones in that link. May as well just bite the $60 bullet and buy those power/heat ones.