Stroker cp3

[Diesel power]

Is there any real proof that the stage 3 stroker out flows the stage 3 II pump(85%), other than on a "homemade" test stand?

Im looking for Actual Bosch Testing procedures performed on a Bosch certified test stand.

I know of only 5 of these Bosch test stands in the country!

Anyone?

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

I will put it this way, a standard CP3 will never come close to the numbers of an increased displacement pump. It takes more than drilling a few holes, and CP3.4 check valves to get the job done. I am sure Industrial has one of those stands. I have a stand for pumps and injectors, most would laugh at, but it does the job. The best way to measure results Wade is in the performance, deep down inside you really know that to be true.

 

[super diesel]

Dont recall seeing a 350 chev out perform a 427 rat with the same mods. There's no replacement for displacement. I trust Pats testing in this area as well. He dosn't support junk or nonperforming equipment. This would be counterproductive to our quest for progress and upmanship in performance. I feel honored that he tested, approved and supported equipment I produced as well.

 

[Diesel power]

I will put it this way, a standard CP3 will never come close to the numbers of an increased displacement pump. It takes more than drilling a few holes, and CP3.4 check valves to get the job done. I am sure Industrial has one of those stands. I have a stand for pumps and injectors, most would laugh at, but it does the job. The best way to measure results Wade is in the performance, deep down inside you really know that to be true.

Yes i do understand that, Thanks.

 

[Diesel power]

Dont recall seeing a 350 chev out perform a 427 rat with the same mods. There's no replacement for displacement. I trust Pats testing in this area as well. He dosn't support junk or nonperforming equipment. This would be counterproductive to our quest for progress and upmanship in performance.

OK on the same token pats test is not a bosch test, and bosch makes the darn things right? so why not use one of there(bosch) testing methods and certified test stands, i have access to a few myself.

i mean i could draw a dyno graph that would blow your mind, but that dont mean it's 100% accurate......

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

Wade, the only one wanting to see these results is you. Everyone else is happy with the reality of things. If it was proven that the stroker outflowed the II, would you buy one....I don't think so. I know what you stand for

 

[Diesel power]

Wade, the only one wanting to see these results is you. Everone else is happy with the reality of things. If it was proven that the stroker outflowed the II, would you buy one....I don't think so. I know what you stand for

Because i know what the end results would be!! im not nieve enough to belive a backyard makeshift testing method on cp3 pumps, Im just asking for the truth!
:cool2:
Lets put it on a certified bosch test stand! :hug:

 

[IOWA LLY]

Although not a test stand by any means, it would nice to see some data from one actually installed on a truck as the primary CP3.

Like for example, lets say you have LLY running a pulsewidth of 3200us, and maintaining 22,000 psi. Now lets say you take that same truck, swap CP3 pumps to a wicked diesel stroker, now how much pulse can you run and still maintain 22,000 psi??

Has a test like this ever been done? I think it would be a nice way of putting the pumps capacity in laymans terms.

Not doubting the wicked diesel CP3, just curious.

 

[Diesel power]

Although not a test stand by any means, it would nice to see some data from one actually installed on a truck as the primary CP3.

Like for example, lets say you have LLY running a pulsewidth of 3200us, and maintaining 22,000 psi. Now lets say you take that same truck, swap CP3 pumps to a wicked diesel stroker, now how much pulse can you run and still maintain 22,000 psi??

Has a test like this ever been done? I think it would be a nice way of putting the pumps capacity in laymans terms.

Not doubting the wicked diesel CP3, just curious.

sure i think that would be fine if you want a general comparison of pumps but it would have to be in a single pump situation,but there are a lot of variables too....

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

Because i know what the end results would be!! im not nieve enough to belive a backyard makeshift testing method on cp3 pumps, Im just asking for the truth!
:cool2:
Lets put it on a certified bosch test stand! :hug:

Maybe not in your conceptual capacity Wade. That mean things might be a little more elaborate than you can visualize. I assure you we don't wear coveralls, smoke a corn pipe, and the stand has no wood as part of its construction. We also canned the leather belt idea last week, it would never track properly. Would you like me to use some of those pumps I have at the shop, that were sent in to be upgraded. They are varying degrees of II's, so called modifications. I have pictures, and so do the customers...Want to see some?

 

[IOWA LLY]

Maybe not in your conceptual capacity Wade. That mean things might be a little more elaborate than you can visualize. I assure you we don't wear coveralls, smoke a corn pipe, and the stand has no wood as part of its construction. We also canned the leather belt idea last week, it would never track properly. Would you like me to use some of those pumps I have at the shop, that were sent in to be upgraded. They are varying degrees of II's, so called modifications. I have pictures, and so do the customers...Want to see some?

I would like to see the pics.

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30944&highlight=stage+cp3&page=4

For anyone who wants to sift throught it all, to see actual customer results of comparative rail pressure before and after. Which to me, actually tells the tale.

 

[Turbo Buick 6]

Lets keep it civil guys. Just because a part hasn't been tested with OEM test equipment doesn't make it inferior. If someone made there own compression tester would that be reason to call it inaccurate

Personaly I could care less what a test says. All I would care about is that I made more power and ran quicker

 

[durallymax]

I know St Joesph Diesel just installed a common rail Bosch Test bench. Those things arent cheap.

tests and calculations only tell you so much, its what happens in the real world that works.

 

[super diesel]

Personaly I could care less what a test says. All I would care about is that I made more power and ran quicker

tests and calculations only tell you so much, its what happens in the real world that works.

Can I get an AMEN?

Sorry. I've been in this postion to many dang times I guess and seen to many agendas fly with out being floor checked (like in hocky).

 

[McRat]

OK on the same token pats test is not a bosch test, and bosch makes the darn things right? so why not use one of there(bosch) testing methods and certified test stands, i have access to a few myself.

i mean i could draw a dyno graph that would blow your mind, but that dont mean it's 100% accurate......

You're right. My test was done on a truck, not a test stand. Fuel supply came from a real truck, plumbing from a real truck, etc. The flow meter was calibrated by NIST, and I run a testing lab for a living.

While my testing was not perfect, it better than any testing you've done. I didn't determine the results based on "looks".

 

[WICKED DIESELS]

Since it takes very little digging, to determine that Wade is a chronie for II, who are advocates of Bosch testing methods. Why do THEY not post actual flow numbers, they DO have the machine at their disposal. All they will publish are irrelevant percentages.

 

[Diesel power]

Since it takes very little digging, to determine that Wade is a chronie for II, who are advocates of Bosch testing methods. Why do THEY not post actual flow numbers, they DO have the machine at their disposal. All they will publish are irrelevant percentages.

What you meant to say was......

No wade i have not tested it on the bosch certified test stand cause i had pat the "engineer" test it on a truck with no way to measure and contain real world 26kpsi, so in reality i have no idea how it flows other than the idle test we did with little to no load on the engine....................:rofl:

Shane, thanks for the truth.....

 

[McRat]

Dyno testing was done at racing pressures and RPM. Not 23,000mPa @ 3,000rpm like the Bosch stand does. It holds pressure at 4,500+ rpm at more than 28,000mPa. The II pump craps out at 4000.

 

[Stingpuller]

I don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would anything else matter but REAL WORLD TESTING! I could give a damn about anyting on a bench! I come to this site BECAUSE they doit! not talk about it. That to me matters. All the book work, bench work means nothing untill it is proven in a real world enviorment with everything else in the system taking it's roll. Jeff