Skilled workers needed

SFC Cobb

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I have a hunch this is true in a lot of states.

Tom


Texas needs more skilled workers than English majors
By DAVE MONTGOMERY 
[email protected]


AUSTIN — The demand for skilled workers in Texas is outstripping the supply, raising the possibility that employers may reduce operations or move to states with a larger pool of skilled labor, State Comptroller Susan Combs says in a new report.

Combs said she will ask the 2009 Legislature for $25 million for training and scholarships to help Texas overcome the growing shortage.

"You’ve got employers saying, 'We will go to where the work force is,’ " Combs said in an interview to discuss the report, titled "Texas Works: Training and Education for All Texans."

The 147-page study attributes much of the shortage to state policies that focus on preparing students for four-year colleges and universities instead of alternative career paths in skilled and technical occupations. Funding for public two-year institutions has failed to keep pace with the need for vocational and technical training, the report says.

"Such state policies are shortsighted, both from the perspective of individual students and from that of Texas as a whole, which needs a productive, skilled work force with a variety of technical skills to compete successfully," the report said.

Increased job training

The report recommends a $25 million "Jobs and Education for Texans" fund for the 2010-11 biennium to create programs to train students for in-demand jobs.

The fund would also expand existing programs that help low-income students attend community and technical colleges.

Combs, who will outline the state’s revenue outlook early next month in advance of the legislative session, has joined other state officials in warning of a tight budget as a result of the economic downturn.

But she said she hopes "to make a case" for the proposed fund on the grounds that the expenditure will pay off through the creation of skilled jobs.

"This kind of training generates a return on that investment," she said.

What’s happening

Dwindling enrollment in vocational training has spawned a chain reaction in the workplace, the report said. Officials in the Gulf Coast petrochemical industry complain of a chronic shortage of welders. Unions and construction companies are also losing skilled workers through retirement and can’t recruit enough young people to replace them, the report said.

In 2007, Texas had 44,000 job openings for workers with post-secondary skilled or technical training, "but the state’s public institutions produced just 36,442 students with the skills needed for those jobs." By contrast, the report said, public universities produced an oversupply of bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral graduates, awarding 104,000 degrees while the state added only 85,000 jobs requiring a college education.

Although the majority of jobs in Texas do not require a college degree, many state policies "are geared largely toward pushing all students into university programs," the report said. "These policies may inadvertently send the signal that the four-year degree is the only path to success."

Students who entered the ninth grade in 2007 are required to take four years each of language arts, social studies, math and science. Combs called for a more flexible policy that would allow an optional, noncollege career path for technical and skilled jobs. Because those options aren’t available, the report said, discouraged students drop out.

"Not everybody is going to be an English major at a four-year school," Combs said. The goal, she said, should reflect the words on the cover of the report: "a complete range of paths and choices that ensures there’s every chance for every Texan."

Educational adaptations

Pat Hardy, a member of the Texas Board of Education from Fort Worth, said she shares Combs’ concerns and believes that public schools should provide "work force readiness" as well as "college readiness."

The school board, she said, has moved toward addressing those issues.

Texas has 50 community-college districts, including the campuses in Tarrant County, that provide instruction for a broad range of career fields, including nuclear technicians, public health, funeral directors and computer specialists. Skilled and technical training is also available in state technical colleges and the three two-year campuses in the Lamar State University System.

Salaries range from $37,000 for biological technicians to nearly $89,000 for radiation therapists, the report said.

Not everybody is going to be an English major at a four-year school."
Susan Combs,
Texas state comptroller
 

fajitatone

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it's amazing to see people with masters degrees sacking groceries, because they can't get work. "Overqualified"

Hell, I'd love to learn how to weld. Or any of that stuff, and if I'm out of work, then to the Vo-Tech school I go, to learn a new skill.
 

fajitatone

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Overqualified means "we won't hire you because you probably want too much money, because you have all those fancy degrees. (and student loans to pay off)"

:rolleyes:
 

Turbotug

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It's generally less physically demanding ~easier~ to be a desk jockey than do skilled (read as MANUAL) labor..

:dontknow:
 

MAXLLY

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In construction and manufacturing this has been the case for a few years, around the USA.

It was driven by alot of different issues, NAFTA, CHINA and of course corporate greed.

It'll flip back to surplus (unemployement) before we see it take off again.

Unless the Fed keeps printing money like they are running out of ink.....
 
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People think that that piece of paper means you are worth more and know what you are doing.....well guess what, it doesn't. I am lucky enough to work in an industry that doesn't care if you have a degree. In fact I have many people working for me that have degrees and I don't. While they were off in school I was out in the field gaining experiance. They know how to mange people but I know how to run the job. It took me much less time to learne how to manage people than it did to become proficent at the work. As we speak I am working on getting a degree in business management so that I can never be capped.

I guess my point is a degree is not needed for entry level management, all it does is keep you from getting capped. So I guess I got a 4 year head start on the other people because I started in management at least 4 years befor they will and I will have a degree long befor it will ever hurt me not having one.

Four years ago the average starting wage of a welder out of high school was 45g a year, the average starting wage of a college grad was around 30g:eek:
Start with work and take college at the same time and youll make more money and still have the degree by the time you really need it:D
 

bullfrogjohnson

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People think that that piece of paper means you are worth more and know what you are doing.....well guess what, it doesn't. I am lucky enough to work in an industry that doesn't care if you have a degree. In fact I have many people working for me that have degrees and I don't. While they were off in school I was out in the field gaining experiance. They know how to mange people but I know how to run the job. It took me much less time to learne how to manage people than it did to become proficent at the work. As we speak I am working on getting a degree in business management so that I can never be capped.

I guess my point is a degree is not needed for entry level management, all it does is keep you from getting capped. So I guess I got a 4 year head start on the other people because I started in management at least 4 years befor they will and I will have a degree long befor it will ever hurt me not having one.

Four years ago the average starting wage of a welder out of high school was 45g a year, the average starting wage of a college grad was around 30g:eek:
Start with work and take college at the same time and youll make more money and still have the degree by the time you really need it:D

I did the same thing as you but I was turning wrenches now I am going back to school to get a mechanical engineering degree so that I too also dont get capped and can move on to bigger and better things like making things work instead of just fixing them over and over:D.
 

WolfLMM

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Skilled people are in shortage here as well. We need machinist badly, but all we can find is CNC "operators" WTF. I agree people have college made into something its not, I am about to graduate with a BS in mechanical engineering, but I have be working in our machine shop ever since I was 16 (part time while still in HS, and full time once in college)

Turbo:rofl: I know what you mean! My friends are all like "shit when I graduate I'll be making over 100gs a year.... YEH RIGHT I say.
 

bullfrogjohnson

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Skilled people are in shortage here as well. We need machinist badly, but all we can find is CNC "operators" WTF. I agree people have college made into something its not, I am about to graduate with a BS in mechanical engineering, but I have be working in our machine shop ever since I was 16 (part time while still in HS, and full time once in college)

Turbo:rofl: I know what you mean! My friends are all like "shit when I graduate I'll be making over 100gs a year.... YEH RIGHT I say.

I would love to have the knowledge of a machinest, we have a full machine shop at work and I try to pick up on everything i can but some of the stuff they do just blows my mind!
 
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Skilled people are in shortage here as well. We need machinist badly, but all we can find is CNC "operators" WTF. I agree people have college made into something its not, I am about to graduate with a BS in mechanical engineering, but I have be working in our machine shop ever since I was 16 (part time while still in HS, and full time once in college)

Turbo:rofl: I know what you mean! My friends are all like "shit when I graduate I'll be making over 100gs a year.... YEH RIGHT I say.

I know what your saying about CNC operators:rofl: All they know how to do is indicate the part in and hit go.....and run tooling into the table and part:rofl:
 

bigdog33

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I don't get it. Is there a shortage of hispanics in Texas?
Thats all the skilled labor we have or need in Maryland.
Weird, being so close to Mexico and all.
 

WolfLMM

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I would love to have the knowledge of a machinest, we have a full machine shop at work and I try to pick up on everything i can but some of the stuff they do just blows my mind!


I'm not a machinist, but I classify myself higher than a CNC "operator":rofl: I watch all the old timers here like a hawk!! They know all the ins and outs. And a lot of stuff you pick up on your on.
 

SFC Cobb

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It is not the common labor (construction jobs) as much as it is the technical jobs like mechs, welders, etc.

I did not get my degree until I was 52 yrs old. I spent a lot of time in different colleges around the world before I finally got all the classes in the right place to finish my degree.

I read recently that there are thousands of govt (all levels) of jobs that are not filled all over the country. There are also jobs like nurses and other techs in the medical field, and several other job categories that have open jobs even in the same companies that are laying off people. Qualification is the issue in some instances.

Another article said to look at non-profit companies and govt jobs. There is work but you have to get out and find it. Knock on the doors.
 

WolfLMM

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I did the same thing as you but I was turning wrenches now I am going back to school to get a mechanical engineering degree so that I too also dont get capped and can move on to bigger and better things like making things work instead of just fixing them over and over:D.


Just think, when you are designing something, you will have insight into what could possibly go wrong, and insight into how to design something that is easy to work on...Cause you've done it!
 

JOHNBOY

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Skilled people are in shortage here as well. We need machinist badly, but all we can find is CNC "operators" WTF. I agree people have college made into something its not, I am about to graduate with a BS in mechanical engineering, but I have be working in our machine shop ever since I was 16 (part time while still in HS, and full time once in college)

Turbo:rofl: I know what you mean! My friends are all like "shit when I graduate I'll be making over 100gs a year.... YEH RIGHT I say.

We are still very busy at work. We are mainly an aerospace oem vendor. We need Machinists, Tool & Die Makers, and CNC operators. All the high schools around here talk about getting a College education. Most of those students get a worthless degrees. I am a Journeyman Tool and Die Maker. I make a good deal more than most of my traditional College going freinds. :)
As bad as the economy is I am amazed that we have a shortage of workers. It is not just the shop I work for. this is a common problem around here.
 

WolfLMM

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It all boils down to the fact most people are more caught up in being educated rather than talented:eek:


Yep, I've had engineers from company's we work for watch me run a part for them and ask stupid ass questions. My favorite is "why is the drill going in and out of the hole" me, "you've never seen a peck cycle?":confused: Why do you think its coming out of the hole and then returning to the hole lol. How did that guy ever make it...
 

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I also chose to go to work after school, while working i went to an A&P (airframe & powerplant) school, it was an 18month crash course to help get the a&p license. After the airline industry went south, i chose to test for the Elevator Constructors Union, which with my schooling and other experience with turning wrenches i scored perfect and was working the next week. I was making more than any of my college buddies, who mostly chose to go to school for computers. Now 4 years later im in the last year of my apprenticeship and we cover just about everything, electrical, sheetmetal, welding, hydraulics, and i think it was a much better decision than going to college, im making quite a bit more than my college buddies now, and im only at 80% of Journeymans scale, they cant beleive how much i bring home, and how much my benefit package is, and i love how when i work late, i make double time, and they are salary so they stay for nothing.:rofl: The problem with the age group now, is they just go to college and get a degree that their buddies are, or one that is the popular thing at the moment, nobody seems to put time into what they really want to do for the rest of their lives any more.

Rob