Rick v Dmitri Peanut Gallery
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I'm sorry I couldn't resist posting this. But I thought it could be used. ::rofl:
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I'm sorry I couldn't resist posting this. But I thought it could be used. ::rofl:
thats a good one, but it should read "oh look, he's using explanation points after every sentence. This shit is serious now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Wow, how did I miss that one
:cheerleader: figures you would say something stupid like that
Dimitri you have a crazy fast truck and know one can take that away from you! Dude you got to pay your debts. This sheet is makin you look like a ass man! REAL bad
I'm friends with both parties here. I live close to Rick, and talk to Dmitri often. I do run Ricks headers and they have held up great. With that being said, whoever compares cast manifolds to headers in durability should be selling stereos instead of being involved in motorsports. Headers move and flex, of course they're gonna leak and have up pipe issues here and there. Manifolds do not, common sence, this has been known for years and years. Sorry hate to burst some bubbles but there hasn't been some new discovery with the new manifolds and up pipes.
Back years ago, when Rick asked what design to use ...
Nevermind. It took a while, but he finally agreed.
Headers work on sonic pulses synchronized to the cam and RPM. Primary tube length for a Dmax is over 50", if my math is right. Shorty headers are a waste of time. Little if any gain, and if the factory manifold is engineering for performance it will rape the shorties. ZR-1's Z06's, LS1's etc use engineered cast manifolds.
Chevy USED to put stainless tube shorty headers on Corvettes from the factory. 1980'ish.
The first 12 second fuel LLY's were running PPE stuff back in 2004. Without PPE, the Dmax world would be a few steps backwards for a fact.
Everybody was waiting on the Locked ECM God to make a race tune for the LLY. It never happened.
I think there are about 200-300 brands of exhaust manifolds and headers today, with > 1000 different P/N's. Anyone making a claim they invented the cast manifold or header is kidding themselves.
Believe it or not, PPE was working on Dmax exhausts back when other options didn't exist. The market wasn't there so it was a custom job each time.
I will make no bones about it. I run a lot of PPE parts and tune my own trucks. I run PPE stuff because it works for me. Ditto for EFILive, Mike L, and SoCal. I don't always agree with my hotrod parts suppliers, but I run what works for me. About 100k miles on Wendy (LBZ that was tuned up to 500+ from the start) without a cracked piston yet. I nail the loud pedal pretty often.
Nevermind. It took a while, but he finally agreed.
Headers work on sonic pulses synchronized to the cam and RPM. Primary tube length for a Dmax is over 50", if my math is right. Shorty headers are a waste of time. Little if any gain, and if the factory manifold is engineering for performance it will rape the shorties. ZR-1's Z06's, LS1's etc use engineered cast manifolds.
Chevy USED to put stainless tube shorty headers on Corvettes from the factory. 1980'ish.
The first 12 second fuel LLY's were running PPE stuff back in 2004. Without PPE, the Dmax world would be a few steps backwards for a fact.
Everybody was waiting on the Locked ECM God to make a race tune for the LLY. It never happened.
I think there are about 200-300 brands of exhaust manifolds and headers today, with > 1000 different P/N's. Anyone making a claim they invented the cast manifold or header is kidding themselves.
Believe it or not, PPE was working on Dmax exhausts back when other options didn't exist. The market wasn't there so it was a custom job each time.
I will make no bones about it. I run a lot of PPE parts and tune my own trucks. I run PPE stuff because it works for me. Ditto for EFILive, Mike L, and SoCal. I don't always agree with my hotrod parts suppliers, but I run what works for me. About 100k miles on Wendy (LBZ that was tuned up to 500+ from the start) without a cracked piston yet. I nail the loud pedal pretty often.
Maybe we should change the title of the thread now. :hug:
My self and my customers will argue the shorty or log header statement. Most posted up their before and afters. Some here. As much as 4 tenths faster in the quarter with the shorty or log style headers. 100's of sets sold and I can only remember one customer that claimed he did not run any faster. He was not an internet guy and when he told me this I had no answer for him. I posted a thread about it on DmaxCentral.com hoping one of my other customers could help. In the end I took back the headers. I sold them to someone else that was very satisfied with them.
As far as what the factory is using now.... in the old days they did not have the technology to build a decent flowing casting. Times have evolved though and now a casting can get close to a header in actual gains, but just close. Other wise all the NHRA and Nascar guys would be running manifolds. The factory continues to run the castings though because the price is better.
I'll suggest we don't use naturally aspirated gas engine technology when working with diesel stuff.
I'll leave the PPE stuff alone. Dan and I talked the other day and we have a "cease fire" in place for now.
I never claimed I invented anything. Here again, I'll leave it at that.
PS, Good to see you posting again. There for a while you seemed mia.
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If u want to think ppe is still on the leading edge of duramax power, that is your right and your opinion. Different regions see different things. None the less it has nothing to do with what was said. Whether ats, Rick, ppe, or Joe blow is building the exhaust, if ur comparing the durability of headers, to manifolds, and bragging about how x brand of manifolds held, and x brand of headers did not, your one of 2 things. 1 trying to make a sell to the idiots that don't know any better. 2 an idiot.
Lots of folk think I'm an idiot. I hotrod 3/4 ton $50k towing pickups for Pete's sake. That in general is not a sign of good mental health.
That being said, who do you think has done more for Dmax hotrodding than PPE?
Enquiring minds want to know ... :hug:
And another pissing contest. Why do we need to rank the top contributors to our sport/hobby?
Everyone helps. Everyone tests theorys and has ideas. No one has the time/money/creativity to DO IT ALL.
Can't we all thank each other and move on?
Everyone helps. Everyone tests theorys and has ideas. No one has the time/money/creativity to DO IT ALL.
Can't we all thank each other and move on?
That's good...lol what individual has done the most? Nobody will agree on either. It took a bunch
Not sure there will be much of an arguement that in the beginning they were one of the few games in town.
I don't have any PPE parts on my pulling truck or my dually nor do I sell any to anybody either.
Yes, we all hotrod them. With that being said most hot rodders already know a manifold will last longer than a header.
Really? I'm not even getting into that. Not one company or person has done it all. That being said I knew someone that had an hx50 mounted sideways and 2 cp3s long before anyone released kits. Just cause it wasn't on the web, or posted everywhere doesn't mean it didn't happen. To be competitive with the top Cummins boys in the country you have to think outside the box. Kits will not allow you to be on the leading edge of power anymore.
No, you are right, it has been a group effort. PPE is not perfect, nor is anybody. But trashing them as a Stereo Shop For Left Coasters is not fair either.
Or indicating that I pimp parts for vendors isn't accurate either. I've always run what's fast and available. Starting with Bill Wirges pipes, then American TurboPak, and continuing from there.
I've helped a lot of shops improve their products through honest testing. You don't have to believe that, that is not required. PPE is just one of many though.
I don't sell parts or tuning anymore. And other than prototypes, the stuff I run is paid for. PPE, Mike L., Garrett, EFILive, SoCal, TTS, Edge, Borg Warner, Isspro, Banks, Dynomite, Carillo, Mahle, etc, etc, have helped me. But most my help came from members of hotrod boards, such as yourself, who have posted data from parts.
I'm no longer on the Bleeding Edge with my trucks. Work, kids, track closures, health, track closures, have all caused a reduction in my hotrodding.
Calling me a parts whore isn't based on anything, when you consider all the different brands of parts we have tested.