Reverse but no forward gears?
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Actually this dually was completely stock-the shell is still at the wrecking yard, I pulled the entire harness out of it. The guy runs some kind of game ranch where he takes people hunting, they said he got to close to the side and this thing went down in the ditch and laid on its side, the insurance said it was fixable be the owner convinced them to total it. Now this is the story I was given when we got it. The trans was already on a pallet and so was the engine, they had already pulled it before I got there and sold the transfercase and the power steering pump. I feel very bad about this whole deal, we had hell getting it shipped, he had to wait forever with it sitting on the dock in cali before his friend got it on a boat and to finally get it done only to find a bad trans we were told was good sucks!
That's just silly, there is no way running off in a ditch could come anywhere close to doing that damage. As a matter of fact, I've never heard of any internal damage being done to one of these even rolling it over, or any trans for that matter. Like I said, and the other guys will tell you too, that is from repeated abuse. I would be surprised if a stock power engine could do that damage. When I tore mine up like that I bought used replacement parts from an outfit in Denver. I'll see if I can find there info.
Your exactly right,someone isn't telling the whole story here. Some where sometime that truck or where that transmission came from was modified to make some power to do that damage.
I am just glad mike and Heath are helping him get it going. there's no way to find the guy who wrecked it other then maybe the vin number I gave him and that might shed some light on the service's it may have had.
As far as I remember, there was nothing unusual in the vin check. It had 2 starter motors, and a cd player replaced I think.
The engine runs and sound beautifully. Its very smooth.
As larry said, we had a hell of a time getting it to the otherside of the world. Its been nearly 12 months since I first found the motor on here. Been trying to wait patiently for it all to come together. So close, but so far.
I understand there is no warranty on this stuff. But I would like to hear wat the owner/wrecker has to say about it. and whether they will do anything.
In the next few days ill be in contact with mike on what upgrades I can do to it to suit my vehicle, style.
Thanks for all the input.
Paul
The engine runs and sound beautifully. Its very smooth.
As larry said, we had a hell of a time getting it to the otherside of the world. Its been nearly 12 months since I first found the motor on here. Been trying to wait patiently for it all to come together. So close, but so far.
I understand there is no warranty on this stuff. But I would like to hear wat the owner/wrecker has to say about it. and whether they will do anything.
In the next few days ill be in contact with mike on what upgrades I can do to it to suit my vehicle, style.
Thanks for all the input.
Paul
There is always the possability that when it was in the ditch the driver might have tried to get it out under its own power. if the truck was sideways the fluid in the sump would be to one side and the pump might have run dry and smoked the slutches.
This is purely a thought only.
This is purely a thought only.
True, but at the same time the rest of the truck would be in the same condition, this would include the engine and fuel tank. The engine would have damage from the oil settling to one side, the tank would have to be pretty full for the pick up not to be grabbing air too...
I say it was beat hard based off of the condition of the splines, not the clutches. If you beat on a trans a with high power and it slams those clutches hard, it can damage those splines. Then the clutches can't move smoothly and don't disengage causing them to rub and create heat all the time. I highly doubt that burning up the clutches will cause them to hang up and damage the splines, since once they're burnt up they don't hold.
Mike correct me if I'm wrong here.
Just FYI, All the VIN checks in the world won't tell you how a truck was driven.
I'm VERY familiar with this stuff, I deal with wrecking yards on a daily basis
I would just about put money on it that that transmission was not in that truck, or any truck for that matter, when it was wrecked. My money is that that trans is the core the yard received when they sold the one that came out of the truck. Someone along the way, increased their profit a good bit by knowingly selling a core trans. Any reputable yard insures the parts they sell. There should be a reverse flow of money here since someone didn't play strait.
That sounds like a pretty plausible theory to me.
I know it doesn't take much time slipping the C1s to get them to the point of looking like that. I did it a few times launching at the track. The first time I did it, I actually drove the truck for several days until it finally just lost forward. It was kind of weird because before all the friction material was gone with the clutches being bound up on the splines, you could put it in neutral and drive it, and when you put it in reverse, it was like it had a trans brake because the C1s weren't disengaging. You had to power through them. Once the clutches totally let go, reverse and neutral went back to normal and forward was gone. Every time it happened I was using a co-pilot to lock the converter on the 1-2 shift, running heavy 285 mud tires on H2 wheels, and spun on the launch. I guess the combination of the shift, lockup, and sudden traction just overpowered the clutches and burnt them up. Every time it happened I was also using stock clutches. After I changed to the Alto carbon fiber clutches, I never had another problem.
really doesn't matter at this point but for conversation-
I guess anything is possible ,lack of fluid,but he did say it was driven home after ditching the truck. IF he tried to get himself out he must have tried for awhile because there was a tremendous amount of heat to warp those steels.Even lying on its side there must have been some fluid sloshing around. Why would a transgo kit been installed if the truck wasn't ramped up for added power?
My money is still on burnouts and boost launches. Couple beers talking shit and well, that is what you get! Truck is totaled lets have some fun!
I guess anything is possible ,lack of fluid,but he did say it was driven home after ditching the truck. IF he tried to get himself out he must have tried for awhile because there was a tremendous amount of heat to warp those steels.Even lying on its side there must have been some fluid sloshing around. Why would a transgo kit been installed if the truck wasn't ramped up for added power?
My money is still on burnouts and boost launches. Couple beers talking shit and well, that is what you get! Truck is totaled lets have some fun!
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just got off the phone with the wrecking yard. I was off in my remembering of this, he said from the time it went in the ditch (on its roof) till he got it ,it was never driven. The wrecker pulled it out, loaded it up and brought it to the yard. He said he personally got in it and drove it around his yard and then pulled it in the back lot so no one would mess with it. he said it ran and drove fine before they pulled it out. At this point, he is sticking to that fact and saying it was good when it was pulled. He said if he had a question about it he would find another trans but he said he didn't because he drove it so I guess we are stuck. . I am very sorry and I would never knowingly sell something like this. Again, I am sorry. Larry
Even if he did find another trans the shipping and time would be killer. i will try and find a way to get some extra cash to help if I can, I don't have much but I also don't like people getting screwed. I will call mike today and see what i can do.
Even if he did find another trans the shipping and time would be killer. i will try and find a way to get some extra cash to help if I can, I don't have much but I also don't like people getting screwed. I will call mike today and see what i can do.
Just so you know I'm not implying that you in anyway did anything to hide facts on he condition of the items sold. I really have don't know I'm just speculating . If you were told untruths that sucks.Not trying to throw you under the bus . If it looks that way I apologize.It's not my intentions just a conversation my opinion as to what it looks like happened. Crap happens ,sucks your stuck ,good luck
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Just so you know I'm not implying that you in anyway did anything to hide facts on he condition of the items sold. I really have don't know I'm just speculating . If you were told untruths that sucks.Not trying to throw you under the bus . If it looks that way I apologize.It's not my intentions just a conversation my opinion as to what it looks like happened. Crap happens ,sucks your stuck ,good luck
I know, it also doesn't help that it was supposed to only have 21,000 miles on it either. I don't know what to do but try to save some side cash I get and just send it to paul. Just a bad deal all around. I can/did see the truck and as for the miles the inside looked new and the areas that weren't bent looked clean. Just a ranch truck that was probably used and abused before it got wrecked.
Glad you weren't miss interpreting my posts,it can happen. Sucks he's so far away at this point he's just better off getting stock Borg Warner clutches and steel plates and just rebuild the transmission and he'll never have to worry about it.
Cost would be reasonable if the TC is still good and it was flushed out.
Cost would be reasonable if the TC is still good and it was flushed out.
You may have mis interpreted my post. I put the shift kit in when I got it. It never came with one.
I don't know larry and he doesn't know me. But I have no reason to doubt him and the story. He has been more than helpful from first contact about the motor.
I don't know the forum rules on this, but if larry has nothing to hide, he should name the wrecking yard that screwed him, and subsequently me. If they are not willing to come forward in anyway.
Now that the trans is out, I don't mind spending the money to strengthen it up. But I never intended to as stock power was plenty. The downtime and labor is costing me a fortune and I think the people doing the dirty have some responsibilty to uphold!
I don't know larry and he doesn't know me. But I have no reason to doubt him and the story. He has been more than helpful from first contact about the motor.
I don't know the forum rules on this, but if larry has nothing to hide, he should name the wrecking yard that screwed him, and subsequently me. If they are not willing to come forward in anyway.
Now that the trans is out, I don't mind spending the money to strengthen it up. But I never intended to as stock power was plenty. The downtime and labor is costing me a fortune and I think the people doing the dirty have some responsibilty to uphold!
Lets find out more about the funny plate before I name them, may need to keep it low till we find out what its all about. pm sent!