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I like that. It might be cheaper to run stock motors, and change them every 4-? passes.:roflmao:
I like that. It might be cheaper to run stock motors, and change them every 4-? passes.:roflmao:
realistic motor build costs...
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I have around 8k in parts & 20k miles on my "budget" build and its doing just fine. Probably around 75 passes at ~700hp. For me that included Carrillos, Mahle race cast, valve springs, studs, cam, machine work & misc parts. That does not include the turbo, y bridge, custom piping and injectors. I did get a screaming deal on labor. 
K.I.S.S.
K.I.S.S.
if you don't mind me asking how many billet cranks that you know have broke?the reason i ask i am putting one on my built and would like to know some info.thank you.nick
Those 10-15 K BUILDS DO OKAY AT 700 HP. THEY DO NOT CUT IT AT 900 PERIOD. COCO IS NOT OFF TOO MUCH IN HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT COST. HIGH POWER IS NOT RELIABLE. IT IS EASY TO CLAIM THINGS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A MOTOR MAKING 900-1100 HP.
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I know of billet internally balanced crank that snapped on a street truck. When I had my crank magged it had a fracture in it. I decided to put a new LML crank in it instead of a billet crank. I lucked out on my built motor that I ran for over 3 seasons. I bought a complete built motor with turbo and injectors that had never been ran before for 14k from a member on here. Sold everything except the longblock for $6200 and that left me with a brand new motor with forged pistons, carrilos, 3688 cam and mildly ported heads with Socal hardware for $7800. I think some shops over charge as they think they're are the only ones that can build motors. There's lots of players in the game now that can do a quality build.
I know of a motor that just a few weeks ago made 812whp on the dyno, and it has 20k in everything... that turbo, injectors n' all. But the guy does all of his own work.. the only thing he didn't do was the head work... but he fab'd everything that he possibly could on that truck, himself.
For over 4g for a billet crank that hasn't yet been proven, I know I won't run one on anything I build. Word on the street is there have been more billet failures than successes.
There have been 1000hp+ trucks bending built rods before wrecking cranks so I see no point in going billet. There is overbuilding a 650hp engine, and then there is being retarded and throwing money away. Billet crank is throwing it away IMO.
Mag your stock crank and balance everything properly. That's your best option.
There have been 1000hp+ trucks bending built rods before wrecking cranks so I see no point in going billet. There is overbuilding a 650hp engine, and then there is being retarded and throwing money away. Billet crank is throwing it away IMO.
Mag your stock crank and balance everything properly. That's your best option.
True story.
Had some in my hands personally. One of them came out of an engine making 1200hp, the crank had over 225000 miles on it and was still good!!
FWIW Two of them were out of engines that cost over 20g to build.
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Don't forget about me either, they built my old one as well. Gonna get Fingers pistons? They seem to be holding at that power level. Don't waste your time on cut cast pistons, they'll break 900hp like mine did. Forged are nice but re-ringing will suck although I'm not saying that they will fail at 40k, could be longer. Also make sure you have a good crank.
I know of 3 builds that lived at 850-900 for 3+yrs and were under 12-15k. And i now see that jd dave has close to that also. And by the looks of it, makes it past 900hp for yrs. I to have talked with many shops since i started savin for my motor build, never once have i been told 20k. I have 3 quotes for under 16k. And that includes fingers pistons, head work, and 100overs along with carillo rods, arp studs,ect.
But then again, i will be removing, installing, my twins, heads, and a few other things. It can be done for under 15k. I will prove it like many other have already, and it will make 850+
Nothing lives forever, it doesnt take 25-30k to make 1000hp, period. I was also told it costs 55-6000+ for a stage 5 trans, georend converter deep pan, tcase brace, ect. And i dont even have 4500 in mine. And i didnt build mine either. Just proving a point. Some people just pay more regardless of what the cost is, cause its gotta be better if it costs more.
Holy shit... what a train wreck... to each his own I guess.
I do appreciate all of the help and honestly everyone provided. I'll definitely keep digging on my options. Johns pistons definitely have my attention, and no I'm not buying a billet crank lol.
I do appreciate all of the help and honestly everyone provided. I'll definitely keep digging on my options. Johns pistons definitely have my attention, and no I'm not buying a billet crank lol.
Pretty bold statement Shane,so a guy has to spend 16 k min or more to have a suposedly reliable motor?Which a few have come on here and said already that their build did or didnt make it.Maybe for a guy that wants to drop it off and pick it up done.But the guy that pulls it, tears it down,sorces parts,has the machine shop do their part and reassembles himself and reinstalls.Also in the performance world everything has a life span some shorter then others so to come out and say THEY DONT CUY IT AT 900 PERIOD?I just dont think you can group everyone in that is all im saying,each build is going to differ in some way or another.
Your right about the trans. I have about 4k in mine and its got extra clutches over and above a gmax 6 and custom internal oiling mods. I was told everything that could be done accept billet shafts. I was also quoted 15k for a built engine with pistons, rods, billet mains, flywheel, dampner key ways etc. pretty much everything but ported heads. It would have springs and retainers. Nothing to add power but everything needed to make it robust. This included R@R, machine work and full of fluids ready to drive.
Blower max for one. And I believe there was a few more. I don't think a billet crank is worth it. But maybe someone knows some info to prove me wrong.
I was building and drag racing diesel trucks in 2007. I have done quite a bit in my time here. I was building stuff for diesel trucks even before I was in my 20s in case you were wondering "bro".