realistic motor build costs...

[TheBac]

Bac...
:hifinger::rofl::joker: yes it "can be done" for half of what I stated

:doh: all ya want

sure, you can get the parts for close to ten grand to slap an engine together. But is that what a guy really wants to do? I don't. I believe the ol' adage "you get what you pay for"

For one, I am not going to turn a wrench on any of it(or at least I'm not planning to) second, I PLAN ON buying a complete done deal stg2 performance built LBZ block and heads with all the trimmings from So Cal, no core exchange.

Then I will have a 600whp engine to put in another vehicle, like a 68-70 chevelle. Will I actually go for the billet crank:dontknow: I know it's not necessary, I like peace of mind.

Bottom line, the stg 2 engine and heads and 625 studs are a solid 19G before any labor cost to R&R the engine. I know for a fact that this package will handle all the power of my desire and more, and be reliable and problem free for years to come, and that my friends is priceless. How many of you want to dick around digging back int your engine after it's been "built" I don't, I have to believe that there is a right and wrong way to go about it, and trying to get out on the cheap is not the right way

The OP asked for "REALISTIC" build costs, I don't believe 10G is realistic, if you are buying new parts, which is the only way I would do it. Is 24g realistic, mmm, not really, but right there you have the top and bottom of the spectrum, so split it and 16G sounds pretty Damn realistic for a 900whp build, done, turn key and driving

:doh: is more than appropriate for most of what you post. If there was an award for "Biggest Diesel-Power Magazine Expert", you'd win hands down (and thats NOT a compliment). You know far less than you think you do and obviously have more money than brains. I for one am tired of your BS. Just stop already.

 

[arneson]

Wow this just keeps gettin better and better. Seems there way more under 15k then there is 15k+. But what do i know, ive been told to plan on spending 30k so im still saving:roflmao:

 

[arneson]

Amen tom. thumb:

 

[Hot COCOAL]

Cocoa says he is realistic. I have no idea what that means judging by his internet ass-hattery. Why don't we let the guys who have actually built motors council rather than people taking guesses? That's not aimed at you Steve, I just refuse to quote Cocoa.

Coming from a 20 something guy who doesn't know me from Adam, I could give a shit bro, I have spent the last year talking to the best shops across our great nation to come to the "guesses" that I have, if I had "another" 20G just layin around to do what I want, I would have exactly what I posted above dropped in the engine bay right now. But since I have taken the last two years to dump just over 30G into my truck to prepare for that engine build and power level, I'm just not there yet. What have you done in the years you've been a member?

I have only been Here for a year, a long year it's been for you having to read my "internet ass-hattery" I am not ashamed to post when I don't know what's up, its how i learn. I'm not ashamed to say I don't know shit still, but I do know I have consulted with the best there is out there to come to the beliefs and conclusions I have now.
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[Hot COCOAL]

:doh: is more than appropriate for most of what you post. If there was an award for "Biggest Diesel-Power Magazine Expert", you'd win hands down (and thats NOT a compliment). You know far less than you think you do and obviously have more money than brains. I for one am tired of your BS. Just stop already.

Hmm, considering I have built a truck to the highest standard, that would probably beat yours pretty easy I have to disagree with ya you seem to be expert enough to blow my posts up with no substantial matter to back it up? I have always said I don't know much, so I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. I seem to have enough brains to make a 600whp stock long block truck and not blow it up(yet) so sure I have made a mistake along the way, I think everyone knows how I left a rag in the intake track when I was doing an intercooler upgrade, but everyone make a mistake or two, they just aren't man enough to fess up to it. Sure I destroyed the g80, but I replaced it with a truetrac so it wouldn't happen again, other than that, there haven't been any hiccups in my journey. But thanks for tryin to put me down, unfortunately it didn't work, post all the hate you want:hug:

Wow this just keeps gettin better and better. Seems there way more under 15k then there is 15k+. But what do i know, ive been told to plan on spending 30k so im still saving:roflmao:

Yup, a bunch of -15k builds that seemingly won't last at higher horsepower levels, it seems to me the guys spending more last longer at more horsepower with less issues:baby:

Shit, a set of ppe big twins is 14k, a SoCal standard build is 15k

But what do I know, I only ask the guys that do this for a living, directly. Soo sorry to go and talk about things you can't or don't want to afford

 

[blk smoke lb7]

Over the last year ive seen you mature some on here coco and everyone has their own thoughts and you have your own.You are fortunate enough the be able to pay for everything done on your truck where as alot of us prefer to do as much as we can to save money/or have to because we cant aford to pay someone else.You are getting disrespectful to some very good members on here and basicly saying bullshit to someone that DOES know 900 horse and reliable dont always go together.I know 1 member that has had atleast 3 bad ass built motors built by a very good shop with nothing spared and he has lost 2 cranks so never say never.Take it for what its worth.

 

[blk smoke lb7]

Hmm, considering I have built a truck to the highest standard, that would probably beat yours pretty easy I have to disagree with ya Oh nice a dick measuring contest,I believe Tom ran 12.25 with a stock d max LB7 to be a fact.and after injectors ran 12.18 or something like that so I WILL DISAGREE WITH YOU!



Yup, a bunch of -15k builds that seemingly won't last at higher horsepower levels, it seems to me the guys spending more last longer at more horsepower with less issues:baby:

Shit, a set of ppe big twins is 14k, a SoCal standard build is 15k

But what do I know, I only ask the guys that do this for a living, directly. Soo sorry to go and talk about things you can't or don't want to afford

Who says a 15 k build wont last as well ?you dont have to throw money around to have a well built motor,take the labor out of about 75% of what you are doing and then total things up.

 

[arneson]

Yup, a bunch of -15k builds that seemingly won't last at higher horsepower levels, it seems to me the guys spending more last longer at more horsepower with less issues:baby:

Shit, a set of ppe big twins is 14k, a SoCal standard build is 15k

But what do I know, I only ask the guys that do this for a living, directly. Soo sorry to go and talk about things you can't or don't want to afford[/QUOTE]

Oh coco, i dont know if ive ever met someone so blind and nieve. I also find it funny that u dont even know me, and u wanna talk about my financial status. Lmao. Lets get the run down, i just turned 28, i own over 15 trucks, 9 bobcats, 2 excavators, and have 9 full time employees. I prolly could afford to be stupid or idiotic and spend 30k into a truck and maybe make 600hp, which we dont know forsure if yours does yet, but i know mine does and has for 2yrs. If that was the case, id be super pissed also. I have maybe 15k in mods so far, and i wish u were closer, cause my 15k in mods would walk your so called 80k truck.

 

[arneson]

I guess in all, i have 2 kids, wife, brand new house and a business that costs 20x what a built dmax costs, id rather throw money into those over a motor at this point. Still tryin to grow my business amd family. But i prolly wont talk and be able to afford this conversation either:roflmao:

 

[blk smoke lb7]

You see Coco when you make statements like you have its not hate that brings on the negitivity its the incorrect statemnets dont confuse the 2.

 

[Hot COCOAL]

Over the last year ive seen you mature some on here coco and everyone has their own thoughts and you have your own.You are fortunate enough the be able to pay for everything done on your truck where as alot of us prefer to do as much as we can to save money/or have to because we cant aford to pay someone else.You are getting disrespectful to some very good members on here and basicly saying bullshit to someone that DOES know 900 horse and reliable dont always go together.I know 1 member that has had atleast 3 bad ass built motors built by a very good shop with nothing spared and he has lost 2 cranks so never say never.Take it for what its worth.

But we're they billet cranks?

I appreciate you taking notice that I have matured a little, but respect goes both ways, I get pretty short when it's not given.

I wish every day I had the knowledge, tools and ability to do my own work, I did as much as I could, I don't know how to build an engine, set up ring and pinion's or build an Allison transmission. Especially for the goals I have. That's why I take those jobs to the pro's and they don't get it right every time either

Big twin forgot to torque my manifolds and I blew through them on my 500 mile trip home, they also drove my truck 865 miles(I documented the miles before it left) trying to "work the bugs out" they also didn't get my cab back on very good and I am pissed about that, they were the worst experience yet

Ultimate transmission did a good job, the truck shifts awesome and the trans never gets hot, but it has had a small leak since the day I drove it home, I haven't made it back over there to have addressed.

Randy's off road did a fine job too, but my gears don't feel like they set up all great they howl at 40mph but it goes away after 45mph, and in 4x4 i have a high speed vibration, I need to make it back over there as well to have them take a second look

These are professionals, I can't imagine if I had tried to do these projects on my own with my little amount of tools and knowledge, I'm not dumb, but for the money these parts cost and the scope of work being done, I am not willing to try and figure it out on my own,

Yes my wife and I are very fortunate, very blessed, and I am grateful, that doesn't mean I like to piss money away, I just like to do things the best way I can, even if that means someone else does it

 

[blk smoke lb7]

I know,when i 1st got on here i wanted to comment on evey post i could and i drove some people nuts also but i wanted to help and be a part of it as much as i could.You have come a long way but your still learning ....hell im still learning.Try to have some thick skin and laugh at it,getting shitty with members is never good.Also if i won the lottery id probably still shop around for price becasue i dont like to over spend either.

 

[MAXX IT OUT]

:hello:Hey if you guys have money to waste, I will take it.:spit::roflmao: This topic is one that is blown out. Its your right foot that controls the life of your engine. Hey my engine is good for over a 1000 HP, just ask H&S.:hug:

 

[DBUSHLB7]

Sometimes it's not what you know, but who you know that turns a 17k dollar build into a 13k dollar build. You can't judge a build by the price tag. Each build is subject to the foot behind the pedal. A grandpa driving a 10k dollar build will see his last longer than a 20k dollar build subjected to a heavy foot around town and lots of competition use. And it could just as easily go the other way. It's all subjective.

 

[PACougar]

Sometimes it's not what you know, but who you know that turns a 17k dollar build into a 13k dollar build. You can't judge a build by the price tag. Each build is subject to the foot behind the pedal. A grandpa driving a 10k dollar build will see his last longer than a 20k dollar build subjected to a heavy foot around town and lots of competition use. And it could just as easily go the other way. It's all subjective.

Finally, some complete true wisdom about this subject. I think most people can agree if you're going to build a engine with new parts you're looking at 8K-16K in parts depending on how far you want to go, from there is a question of how much YOU want to do.

 

[Burn Down]

Kappa, your better off just doing your own research for this kind of stuff... These threads always turn into a Sh*t show lately... It does make for some interesting reading

On a side note, I'll put my sub 6K build up against any 20K build.... I promise both will break when pushed hard. Just the way it is baby.

 

[hondarider552]

Coco, since you've talked to the best shops, what shop has been running a 6.0 ford firing order cam for a few seasons with no crankshaft failures? Do you really think a billet crank will keep your 20k engine together?

Its been proven time and time again, and some more times, that a 10k budget built engine will hold good power. Be realistic, nothing is going to live for along time at 900hp we all know that, I would hope...


I just don't see why you need to overexaggerate on your posts. Talking to a shop is very different compared to spending 10k+ to get your engine done. Been there done that.
Keep most of your "theory's" to yourself and let the people who've spent the money tell you its needed or not...:hug::thumb

I feel like im getting what I paid for. 13k in my engine and it will be just fine for what I want to do. Be more realistic for what you actually need, not what you want

 

[hondarider552]

sure, you can get the parts for close to ten grand to slap an engine together. But is that what a guy really wants to do?

Everyones different, and most people are way more efficient than you are :thumb:

I PLAN ON buying .

Get back to us when you've actually purchased it..

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Will I actually go for the billet crank I know it's not necessary, I like peace of mind..

You haven't been around long enough to read in depth about crankshaft failures, your just jumping for it because its "BILLET" :roflmao:

625 studs.

Waste of $$, but your good at wasting money that you haven't even spent yet

The OP asked for "REALISTIC" build costs, I don't believe 10G is realistic.

I believe your being unrealistic.

 

[THduramax]

Dang... I had to skim through all that.. Talk about butchering a post... On to more tech talk and less boohooing... Are the oil pumps in these notorious for going out... I don't think I've ever heard or one tearing up... Input no head bashing lil fellers

 

[FarmDiesel22]

Haven't all the billet cranks going into builds have broke???