Question: Ram half ton diesel
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thats stupid to put a 3.0 diesel in a 1/2 ton, something that size would fine for midsize truck like colorado/dakota
why would anybody pay more money for the diesel option when it won't keep up with the gas engine
why would anybody pay more money for the diesel option when it won't keep up with the gas engine
I agree AJ. I can't imagine replacing the 5.3 with something that won't get out of it's own way. A 3.0 isn't nearly big enough.
Yeah I read that they can be capable of over 600hp built correct with performance parts, not sure how true or what torque that would be.
How is a 3.0 going to sound? Like those weak sounding diesel bobcats? Our smaller forklift sounds funny with loud typewriter ticks... Didn't know if they would have any throaty note behind them
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How is a 3.0 going to sound? Like those weak sounding diesel bobcats? Our smaller forklift sounds funny with loud typewriter ticks... Didn't know if they would have any throaty note behind them
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The 3.9L ISUZU and CUMMINS engines used to go into medium duty trucks with GCVWR close to 20K pounds, so why couldn't a modern 3.0L diesel be able to handle 15K pounds? The MERCEDES SPRINTER vans started out with a 2.7L 5 cylinder engine, and they worked fine even in 1 ton applications.
If this is the engine, I think it would be plenty stout. Look at the rods/bottom end on that sucker!
I have a 1.4L turbo gas motor in my 3,100 lb car, and it has no problems getting out of its own way if I need it to. A 3.0L diesel should move right out, even stock. It should be around 400 ft-lb. Remember, the LB7 was only rated 520 ft-lb in its day, and it was tasked with a much bigger truck.
But we are all biased with our huge 6.6L motor. Plus, how many people here have less than 400 WHP? or even 500 WHP? :woott: We forget what "normal" vehicles run like.
I have a 1.4L turbo gas motor in my 3,100 lb car, and it has no problems getting out of its own way if I need it to. A 3.0L diesel should move right out, even stock. It should be around 400 ft-lb. Remember, the LB7 was only rated 520 ft-lb in its day, and it was tasked with a much bigger truck.
But we are all biased with our huge 6.6L motor. Plus, how many people here have less than 400 WHP? or even 500 WHP? :woott: We forget what "normal" vehicles run like.
I'm sure that's true but 25,000 dollars into your built inline 6 later and no warranty you might as well buy a 3/4 ton
Looking at the bottom end, I strongly suspect a 600 HP build will consist of nothing more than turbo, intake, exhaust, and injectors. They appear to run the same CP4.2 as the LML Duramax, which should have the fuel for 600 HP.
That is a much lower cost to build than the build required on our motors. But this is pure speculation, only time will tell if the bottom end is as strong as it looks.
Really I think its the perfect size for a halfton pick-up, which generally are used more for commuting than hauling. With diesel being expensive as it is though I can hardly see the engine premium ever paying its self off, when gas engines are fairly efficent right now and diesel engines are pretty much muzzled.
Unless I hear about something worth holding out for from gm, this ram will be the next vehicle in my driveway.
That engine in a 1/2 ton Black Denali GMC just like the one in the TV commercials would sure make me THINK about parting with my LBZ... THINK...
Damn I was hoping the 4.5 was gonna go but I understand the project is stone cold dead.
Damn I was hoping the 4.5 was gonna go but I understand the project is stone cold dead.
Our President should have FORCED GM to put the 4.5L in production. It would have saved millions of barrels of foreign oil so far.
Jerk.
Jerk.
The 2.8 Italian job in my Jeep is spec for spec the equal to the 6.5 in the 1/2 ton Tahoe I had for 12 years and gets 4 - 8 mpg better mileage in a vehicle that is only 700 lbs lighter. It is also much better suited to the vehicle and my driving style based on the 3.7 liter gas Jeep I rented a couple years ago. The gasser always seemed to be struggling, the TD just gets up and goes.
I think it is a good choice on sizing and sourcing personally.
I think it is a good choice on sizing and sourcing personally.
I wasn't talking about work trucks or towing, comparison was to gas engines
I guess dodge has no choice on what to put it in since they squashed the dakota, hopefully gm & ford aren't dumb enough to follow suit with a mid size truck engine in a full size
great their going to use the same company that made the engines for the jeep liberty with some newer stuff & .2L bigger. those were great to drive
not to mention the 4 bolts per cylinder should work out great just like the 6.0 powerstroke
The big 3 really screwed up by not offering diesels in half tons 6 years ago, they claim economy but most likely didn't want to lose atleast half of their 3/4 & 1 ton sales
I Hate Dodge as much as any diehard Chevy Dmax owner but they hit a home run with this one. The engine will be the VM Motori 630 which is a 60* V6 DOHC w/ Bosch injectors. It is a bad ass little engine and yes it is powerful enough for a 1/2 ton and it only weighs like 500 lbs. They are also using a ZF 8HP 8-speed automatic which is probably the best automatic transmission ever built. Why is Chevy the last to get on bored with Diesel technology they could be offering the same package and setting the standard for the market
I hear in one of the rumors that was floating around that the 1/2 ton Chevy were going to get a 5 liter v8 cummins. So I would love to see this happen as much as the next guy, but until it is officially announced by GM, Ford, or Ram I am not getting my hopes up. But on another note there is a diesel Cruise.:thumb:
oh, really. And where did you hear that?
Just what we need, another $8,000 engine option that gets maybe 3-4mpg better than the gas engine, while burning more expensive fuel, requiring more maintenance $$$, and costing a dickton more to repair when the warranty is up.
Im sorry guys. I know we all love our diesels and its hard to step outside our biased shoes and take off the blinders, but with where gas engine technology is right now, there is really no need for a diesel in a half ton pickup truck. As much as we would all like to 'THINK' its going to be great and save money on fuel economy blah blah blah...you would probably have to drive the damn thing 200,000 miles to even break even vs. the cost of the cheaper gas engine.
I highly doubt ram is going to steal any sales from GM/ford half ton prospective truck buyers.