LBZ: Pro Stock Diesel Pickup Build

Michael

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After mulling it over some more, I think I will cut out the entire section and re-do it from scratch. The only remains of the original chassis will be the main hoop (which is tempting to re-do as well but I won't), the door/pillar bars, and the upper windshield bar. Literally every single other tube is coming out.
 

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Smart idea on moving the seat back or using padding instead of trying to move the bars forward. Curious if that would place the seat too close to the rear of the cage though? Im a bit worried about all the rust on the parts. Is that going to cause you any grief with bar strength? Are you going to use a simple rack/pinion for steering?

I hope you've contacted Uhaul about sponsorship options. They do owe you one. :rofl:
 
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Michael

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I'm not too worried about the rust as it is just surface corrosion. The biggest related hassle is where there are missing welds and surface rust, I will have to get all that rust out of the joint for rewelding.

I will be using a Pinto-style steering rack from Chris Alston's Chassisworks. I still need to get it out of its box and fondle it, but it is sitting in a pile of boxes in a corner!

U-haul probably thinks I owe THEM one at this point!
 

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Very cool build you have going, Michael. I may have missed it, but do you have any idea on when you will be debuting? I hope to at least be able to see it at the NHRDA World Finals.
 

Michael

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Hoping to have it ready by the ISSPRO Pacific Northwest Nationals on July 21, 2012. If things go well it will be sooner, if not-so-well then it may be later (but still in time for the World Finals).
 

Michael

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Episode 7:
After mulling it over I decided to completely re-do the funny car cage area of the chassis, including the lower crossmember in that area. This way I can make sure the cage covers the full helmet in case they ever change that rule, and I can design it so that the seat can slide back if a taller person ever needs to drive it. At the same time I am taking some weight out but adding strength by designing the chassis portions to function like a truss.

Next step was to remove the cage bars that passed through the rear window so I could pull the cab all the way off:

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Here you can see the portions of the cage as I cut them out. I started making cuts with a Sawzall (even using genuine Milwaukie Made in USA blades), but I completely dulled a blade in just two cuts on this 4130 tubing! It seemed to cut harder near the welds, presumably due to some hardening that took place during the welding process. Remaining tubes are being cut either with the plasma cutter or abraisive cutoff wheel in an angle grinder.

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Of course nothing is ever easy on this project, and my trusty old Black & Decker Industrial series grinder I have had since 1988 was a casualty. I went to use the stop pin to remove the cutoff wheel to change it out, and it was so wedged on that I broke the cast aluminum head of the grinder. I did my best to salvage it, building a custom tool to hold the shaft so I could get the cutting wheel arbor off. I machined flats into the shaft so I could remove wheels without using the now-destroyed stop pin. Unfortunately there was also a tooth missing in the right angle drive, so it makes a little bit more noise than before! I picked up a nice older Milwaukee grinder off of Craigslist, and moved the B&D grinder to backup duty.

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After getting tired of taking hot metal sparks in the face while cutting, I picked up a clear face shield and mounted an LED headlamp to it. I also tried using Rain-X anti-fog on it, but it tended to scratch the lens. After a little bit of internet research I ordered some C-Clear anti-fog gel, something that is made for use with plastic shields. When I race the truck in NHRA competition in Top Sportsman, I'll have to use the helmet's face shield even though I am in an enclosed vehicle, so I figured I should have some good anti-fog stuff around! This stuff is great, it stops all fogging and leaves a nice clear lens. In my cold garage the condensation eventually wears this stuff out, but I just need a quick swipe with more of the gel to take care of it.

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I spent an afternoon at a chassis builder, bending up the new cage bars.

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As I looked at the remaining tubes to be added (44 of them not counting small gussets), I decided to attempt to pick the best "grouping" of the tubes when cutting them from a mix of straight tube sections removed from the chassis, and new tubes of varying lengths (and finally from 20' lengths while trying to get the best yield without waste). Even though there is a large tubing supplier here in town, their prices on smaller 4130 tubes is out of line, and therefore cheaper from an online source (AircraftSpruce.com) even with oversized UPS shipping. As I was home sick anyway, I spent a few hours sorting this out for the best yield. Just picked up a (hopefully final) shipment from the local supplier, and also received my package of smaller diameter tubes from AircraftSpruce. Every tube has a specific cut pattern now for optimum yield. I just used an Excel spreadsheet to do all of that.

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Next step - to free up a tube used elsewhere, I started notching the new tube to fit snugly with no gaps against the adjoining tubes. I will be doing a LOT of this in the next couple of weeks! The big chassis shops usually use a dedicated "notcher" that positions the tube precisely then cuts it with a hardened hole saw. I went with the redneck approach and carved the contour with a chop saw, holding the tube at the appropriate angle. Kids, don't try this at home! With practice I was able to get pretty good at it, but I also have a few scars from doing this when building my gasser chassis many years ago!
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You really have to get these notches perfect to get good welds with minimal filler.

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Then sometimes it is difficult to hold the bar in place while you double check everything:

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I finally welded in the first new bar! So far it had been all about cutting other bars out and bending the new ones, so this was a milestone in the build.

Unfortunately I chose this time to try to teach my daughter about TIG welding, and discovered that when combined with too much amperage and too large of a TIG electrode, if you turn your head for a moment it's possible to blow a pretty big hole in the tube!

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I got to patch that hole next...

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I needed to add that bar so I could remove the original bar just below it, then cleaning up and reusing that bar in another location in the chassis.

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My next "milestone" is to finish enough of the cage to get the SFI 25.2 chassis certification. I have always been spoiled with the region's certification technician only about 10 miles away, but he had to retire due to medical reasons. On March 25 a tech is coming in from out of town to do multiple certifications at the local track, so I will have some late nights for the next several days trying to make that!
 

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Lots of good progress. I look forward to seeing it finished.
 

Michael

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Episode 8:
I forgot to add to the last update, I was fortunate enough to get some professional coverage courtesy of an article on Dragzine.com:
http://www.dragzine.com/news/a-different-type-of-build-a-pro-stock-diesel-truck/

Now for more updates:

As I started this build I had been using a cheapo Harbor Freight auto-darkening welding helmet. After getting "flashed" with non-darkened light several times I decided to find a better helmet. I picked up a nice Speedglas unit off of ebay. As usual, nothing works as planned. Ebay had some sort of error that was telling the seller that I hadn't paid, even though I paid immediately via Paypal. After weeks of dealing with this I finally got the dang helmet. It worked much better, but still would give me an occasional flash when rollcage tubes blocked the sensors.

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I found a really nice Snap-On helmet on Craigslist with 4 sensors, so far it has worked the best.

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I liked the Speedglas one the best for comfort and breathability (it has a neat vent system), but as long as I am climbing around rollcage bars that block one or more sensors then I'll use the Snap-On. With a bunch of welding in awkward positions I have not been flashed yet with that one!


I took the tube I removed from the chassis previously (it was the dash bar), and proceeded to clean up the welds on it, weld a few holes shut, then notched it for its new location. Like the last tube, this goes in a spot with a compound set of angles into a bend of another tube (where the cross section of the mating tube is no longer a perfect circle). As a result even a notcher would not have worked, so I just did a trial and error process of grinding and fitting!

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Welding this one in was a little easier since I wasn't trying to teach my daughter at the same time!

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After that I was able to start removing the whole rear portion of the chassis, one tube at a time.

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I needed my steering wheel for mocking up the driver position, which ended up being a separate distraction. One of my minor hassles was trying to use a 6-hole steering wheel with a 5-hole SFI-certified quick release. I could not find a wheel I liked in 5-hole, but found the perfect one in 6-hole.

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Fortunately Grant makes and adapter ring, but like most things on a race truck it needed to be modified in order to work. They assumed you would have nuts sticking up on the "face" of the wheel when using a 6-hole wheel on a 5-hole mount.

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I prefer to have rounded button-head capscrews from the "face" side, so I drilled, tapped, and added threaded inserts to allow this.

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As I plan out the remaining parts of the chassis (front and rear suspensions), I needed to finish unpacking the many boxes of parts from Chris Alston's Chassisworks. The components are all packed ludicrously well, including boxes that are taped up like crazy AFTER adding dozens of box staples to the flaps. I swear I have spent more time opening boxes than welding at this point!

Here is the aluminum double-adjustable front strut body:

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Aluminum front hubs

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Wilwood 4-piston forged aluminum calipers

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Slotted brake rotors

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Michael

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Episode 9

I took advantage of the Summit Racing 15% discount sale for New Years, and picked up a bunch of "smaller" items:

Front wheels (Weld Pro Star 15 x 3.5)

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Front tires (Moroso DS-2, 26 x 4.5 x 15)

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Onboard fire suppression system (Safecraft 5 lb Halon system) - my friend Shawn Ellerton should probably get one of these!

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Electric shift solenoid (Shiftnoid)
I like the idea of shifting myself, but it may be too much to deal with during a pass.

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Combination mid-plate and flexplate SFI shield from TCI. I actually sent this one back, as it had an SFI tag date of Oct 2011. I have heard (and seen the evidence) that SFI allows at least 2 month "post dating" of tags from the manufacturer, so this one has been sitting around a while. As it will need replacing or recertifying based on its manufacture date, I wanted a newer date on mine. I don't care so much if it's December or February, as long as it falls in the "off season" for recertification, but the new one (which arrived in February) has an April 2012 manufacturing date on it!

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Delay box (Biondo Elite 500), which will be used to control the transmission shifting and lockup.

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Window net

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Airaid Air Filter (specifically picked this since they are an NHRDA contingency sponsor):

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And how about a little Strange? No, not the kind Charlie Sheen is always talking about, I mean Strange Engineering, who made the full floater axle kit.

Then again Charlie would like hearing about Strange times 4, and I've got four of these beauties going on the rear axle:
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I'm going to plumb both pairs of calipers separately, and rig up a solenoid valve to allow blocking flow to one of the sets. That way I can run agressive pads on one pair to help with spooling, but won't have to worry about premature lockup when stopping after a run. At least that's how it will work in theory!

Here are the hub/rotor assemblies:
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Here is one of the "spindles" before it was shipped off to Chassisworks to be welded in to the Fab9 rearend they are building for me. Hoping to see that in the next week or so!
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Funny thing about the floater, it's undeniable that a floater is the safest type of rear axle for a drag vehicle. They were required by NHRA for anything capable of 210 mph or higher, and I had it on some inside info that the rule was being "looked at" for revision. We figured that any revision would make the rule more strict, like lowering the limit to 200 or even 180 mph, so I ordered my parts to build a floater for this truck. Then the rule change came out and they raised the limit to 240 mph! Oh well, at least I know my rear tires aren't going to come off even with a broken axle!

After several weeks of delays, my other LB7 crank showed up (the seller had a few things come up). He wrapped it in layers of cardboard and bubble wrap:
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Despite that packaging, Fedex managed to still mangle the tone ring, but as I understand it I'll be using the one from the LBZ anyway.
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The crank itself was in beautiful condition, the journals are smooth as glass.

With all this shopping, I thought my gasser might get jealous. There was a sale on Valvoline VR1 racing oil at all the Autozone stores, so I cleared out every store on my way home one night.
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This is in addition to one more case that went into the trailer! With a change to E85 in the gasser I want to keep an eye on the oil and probably change it more often.
 

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Delay box (Biondo Elite 500), which will be used to control the transmission shifting and lockup.




Sorry for my ignorance but what do you gain from this? I looked at the website and it seems like a fancy toy. Ive got the ACD shifter is this something similar or what?

I see you are using a electric shifter is that better than say using air?

Thanks Simon
 

Michael

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Delay box (Biondo Elite 500), which will be used to control the transmission shifting and lockup.




Sorry for my ignorance but what do you gain from this? I looked at the website and it seems like a fancy toy. Ive got the ACD shifter is this something similar or what?

I see you are using a electric shifter is that better than say using air?

Thanks Simon

I didn't want to deal with air/CO2 on the truck. I've seen too many races lost because of an air line leak. While the electric ones can fail as well, I figure if the truck is running then I'll have power!

Would EFI not work for an RPM requested shift point?

I hadn't thought of using EFI for an output, but that is a good idea! As it is, I need separate outputs for the shift and for lockup. I also want to run the truck in Top Sportsman in NHRA racing, and you pretty much need to use a delay box to be competitive there. I may also use the delay box to switch the tunes on EFILive for slowing the truck down, then speeding it back up if I race the 8.90 index class. In those classes you try to launch at full power, then immediately drop power, then after a timed interval you go back to full power so you can run a given ET at the max speed. I personally dislike the way that class has evolved, but at some events it will be the only class I can fit into, and I want to run some of those big events for sponsor exposure.
 

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If it has an alternator I would run an electronic shifter but if you were to run it without the alternator I would go to an air. The electronic shifters pull too much juice when the motor is running. You will end up with it not shifting at all.
 

Michael

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Yup, I will be running an alternator. While we ended up running DirtyMax without an alternator, I like the security of having one on the truck. One of the "design criteria" of this truck is to make it as easy as possible for one person to run and maintain it. If I can skip between round charging that's one less thing to worry about!

Episode 10
With the aforementioned March 25 chassis inspection event coming up, I really started busting my butt on the chassis fab area, working on it every night and early morning. In my recent Summit orders they have included either a Summit hat or a sample bottle of 5-hour Energy. Can you guess which one was used with this build?
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I removed the rest of the original Funny Car cage:
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Then I removed the rear frame section completely

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Also removed the original "#1" bar, the main rear crossmember that positions the rear suspension (arguably the most important bar in the chassis):

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This needed to be replaced since it needed to be one solid piece without any splices, but had a splice in it. I checked and found that the original bar was VERY crooked in the chassis. This thing would have launched crooked and dog-tracked after the launch!

I welded on "doublers" for the new 4-link brackets, something Chassisworks recommends for blown Pro Mod type chassis.
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I squared the chassis up in the jig and welded in a new #1 bar, along with a passenger-side door sill bar (original was undersized).

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At that point I noticed yet ANOTHER original weld that did not go all the way around a tube.
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I cut out the original door bars

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Of these, the main (from shoulder to foot) one on the passenger side was too small, and the driver's side one needed a bend to give me some elbow room. The X-brace parts were way too small, and did not properly connect to the main bars (they overlapped with a tiny weld between, rather than notching and fully welding).

I started notching the new main door bars to prepare them for welding:
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At this point it looked like I might almost get all the bars done in time for the certification. However, I decided to wire brush off the paint in all of the areas where I would be doing some welding. That was when things came to a screeching halt, as I wire-brushed through a layer of bondo under the paint. After removing the paint this is what I found:

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In two different critical spots someone had done an unreinforced butt weld, then went to great lengths to conceal it with grinding, bondo and paint.

As if there weren't already so many things wrong with this chassis, but this is downright criminal to put something together like this then go to great lengths to conceal it. The main hoop would not have been legal to splice at all in this area, but the pillar bar would have been okay with a properly inserted splice. The way it was done it would have been very unsafe in a wreck. It looks like the original builder just didn't have any long enough pieces of tubing left, so he just spliced and bondoed away. I swear if I ever meet the guy who built this chassis originally, there will be a few harsh words! I still can't believe a human being would let something out of his shop like that, knowing that someone is expecting it to protect them in the event of an accident. I feel the same way about the safety equipment manufacturer who approved a change to standard (flammable) thread in fire suits to save money, and more than one racer was badly burned as a consequence. Do these people have no conscience???

Fortunately I had not welded in any of the newest tubes, so the biggest loss in time was prepping these bars after removing the original attaching bars. I ordered more lengths of tubing, and will be bending up a new pillar bar and main hoop (with better routing to be both stronger and lighter).