nozzle VS injectors.. get it right!!!!!!

[malibu795]

this irritates me... much like clips/magazine for fireaem enthusaits..........

this is and injector....

this is a nozzle...

the only LD vehicle in america that has injectors is fords powerstroke with HUEI injectors......

INJECTORs preform all 5 steps of a fuel sytem in side itself........
metering
presureising
automization
timing
injection

NOZZLES.. only preform 2/3 of the 5 steps automization and timing presurisation........


rant for the day...

 

[x MadMAX DIESEL]

so your saying i dont have injectors in my truck?? since only HUEI commanded vehicles have them. is that correct?

 

[malibu795]

so your saying i dont have injectors in my truck?? since only HUEI commanded vehicles have them. is that correct?

correct

an injector is a self contained fuel injection system.
meaning all it need is a low pressure fuel suppyl and external means to control fuel supply.. it is mechanically fired( HUEI its hyd fired)
whicch the 6BT and dmax do not have

 

[paint94979]

so your saying i dont have injectors in my truck?? since only HUEI commanded vehicles have them. is that correct?

is that really what you took from Adam's post...?

 

[malibu795]

this is a nozzle..

 

[x MadMAX DIESEL]

Okay i can see your point, and never thought of it that way before. But im still gonna go with the non-injectors makers call them. Unit INJECTORS lol.

 

[malibu795]

is that really what you took from Adam's post...?

hope its more than that nick...

 

[x MadMAX DIESEL]

is that really what you took from Adam's post...?

yes that is what i took from his post...

 

[Turbo Buick 6]

this irritates me... much like clips/magazine for fireaem enthusaits..........

this is and injector....

this is a nozzle...

the only LD vehicle in america that has injectors is fords powerstroke with HUEI injectors......

INJECTORs preform all 5 steps of a fuel sytem in side itself........
metering
presureising
automization
timing
injection

NOZZLES.. only preform 2/3 of the 5 steps automization and timing presurisation........


rant for the day...

Our "nozzles" meter, atomize, time and inject our fuel.....thats 4 things

Just out of curiosity where did you get this info from? If you belive this what would you call it on a gasser.....a set of nozzles

Pointless tho because cool people call them sticks

 

[malibu795]

Our "nozzles" meter, atomize, time and inject our fuel.....thats 4 things

Just out of curiosity where did you get this info from? If you belive this what would you call it on a gasser.....a set of nozzles

Pointless tho because cool people call them sticks

thats 4 not 5 paul still nozzles.. and they are not self contained.

training from vairous engine manufactures. cat, cummins, detroit, kolt-pielstick, fairbanks morse, westrbukes,

gasser.. would be a nozzle.. since they only do 4 of the 5.. the fuel pump is equivalant to the cp3 pump on the dmax on a gasser.

 

[McRat]

IIRC,

The HEUI is electrically fired as well. The difference is that it uses oil pressure to amplify the fuel pressure from the fuel pump, where a CR engine uses a higher pressure fuel pump instead.

So if a CR injector is just a nozzle, then what is a CR nozzle? A CR nozzle's nozzle? A CR injector has the solenoid and valving in it including a return circuit.

A unit injector is the only critter that does everything. The cam operates it.

Now what about normal mechanical diesel? The timing and pressure comes from the mechanical pump, and the injectors are just poppets with no return or valving.

 

[Turbo Buick 6]

this irritates me... much like clips/magazine for fireaem enthusaits..........

this is and injector....

this is a nozzle...

the only LD vehicle in america that has injectors is fords powerstroke with HUEI injectors......

INJECTORs preform all 5 steps of a fuel sytem in side itself........
metering
presureising
automization
timing
injection

NOZZLES.. only preform 2/3 of the 5 steps automization and timing presurisation........


rant for the day...

thats 4 not 5 paul still nozzles.. and they are not self contained.

training from vairous engine manufactures. cat, cummins, detroit, kolt-pielstick, fairbanks morse, westrbukes,

gasser.. would be a nozzle.. since they only do 4 of the 5.. the fuel pump is equivalant to the cp3 pump on the dmax on a gasser.

You said they do 2/3 of the 5

I know I listed four things...four is not 2/3

Honestly I think it is completely bogus, some manufactures may say what you are saying and there are just as many that will say different. Siemens calls them injectors and they are larger than all companies you listed combined.

 

[malibu795]

MUI are mechanical uniti injectors (6-71) mechanical fired via camshaft and related componets.
EUI are Electrionic unit injectors.. they replaced the fuel control rack with a soliniod.. still fired like a MUI.
HUEIs are built apon EUIs.. replacing the injector valve train with oil pressure to fire the injector..
all of which are self contained..

PLN pump line nozzle systems. these are spread out the engine. pump is usually directly connected to the camchaft are 1:1 ratio wiht idividual line running to a Nozzle. when the line pressure exceed pop-off pressure of the nozzle fuel is injected. fuel, timing, pressure is controled by the pump auto mizations, injectotion is at the nozzle.

nozzles are a of normaly shut vlv style valve..

HPCR
have a pump, line(s) and nozzles.
pump regualtes pressure.
nozzle controll everything else.. they are also a normally closed vlv setup. unlike their mechanical cousing they do not have a pop-off ratings.. they needle tip is closed by the solenoid and opened by the rail pressure.

 

[malibu795]

You said they do 2/3 of the 5

I know I listed four things...four is not 2/3

Honestly I think it is completely bogus, some manufactures may say what you are saying and there are just as many that will say different. Siemens calls them injectors and they are larger than all companies you listed combined.

depends on the system and how it is setup/designed.

metering on a HPCR is controled between the FPRV and the solenoid on the nozzle.

injectors are self contained. they control a 5 aspects inside thems selves. IMO if they dont do that then they are not and injector..

as for diff companys saying different things... CAT is right up with them....

 

[McRat]

Well, make sure you include detailed drawings before ordering Dmax "fuel thingys". If you ask for 8 "nozzles" and a very small package arrives UPS, you might be disappointed when you open it up...

 

[malibu795]

Well, make sure you include detailed drawings before ordering Dmax "fuel thingys". If you ask for 8 "nozzles" and a very small package arrives UPS, you might be disappointed when you open it up...

that be "nozzle tips"

:rofl:

 

[Turbotug]

Honestly I think it is completely bogus, some manufactures may say what you are saying and there are just as many that will say different. Siemens calls them injectors and they are larger than all companies you listed combined.

Sorry, but I'm going with majority rule here too...


But, if you feel you have the free time Adam, try to get EVERY auto manufacturer to change EVERY piece of literature they have regarding injectors/nozzles. Good luck!

 

[malibu795]

Sorry, but I'm going with majority rule here too...


But, if you feel you have the free time Adam, try to get EVERY auto manufacturer to change EVERY piece of literature they have regarding injectors/nozzles. Good luck!

band wagon brandon?

 

[maine04max]

Adam in your post # 5 pic why does it say "injector body " but you call it a nozzle ? im not trying to stir a pot here ,just understand the differences

 

[McRat]

I put this in the same basket as those who worry about "motor" vs. "engine".

AFAIK, injector as it pertains to engines is the gadget that squirts fuel in. Now, is a throttle-body injected engine really "fuel-injected"? That's a whole new debate.