New Year's Thrash.

McRat

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The only limitation should be the motherboard with its number of PCIe slots. The board I have I can in theory run 6 cards (using extender ribbons) but I have had trouble keeping 3 cards running at full tilt. Not sure if its motherboard, driver, video card or user setup. Of the 3 cards I'm running it seems like 1 always wants to drop down in speed and during re-boots I've had trouble with cards being recognized.

I have been thinking about getting an Classified SR-2 motherboard for folding and using my current board for a machine I need for editing HD video. Just hard to pay over $600 for a mobo and then buy 2 CPUs for it. :rofl:

I have to admit that if I didn't own a tech business, I would never even THINK about an SR-2 mobo.

The cheapest dual Xeon mobo's with PCIe graphics slots are about $260 and fit into a normal ATX case. Cheapest "starter" 4-core CPU's are about $230 each (E5506?) but they are non-hyperthread. Cheapest hyperthreaded 4-cores are $390 (E5620). However, dual-xeon systems are server motherboards, so overclocking is usually impossible unless you are SR-2.

You only need about 6GB of ram to run F@H on a dual CPU system. But you DO need a special powersupply. It must have leads for 2 CPU power, so it's normally going to be a 750w+ modular. The $99 Rosewill 1000w seems to work fine.

So the cheapest bigadv dual Xeon system would be roughly $1400, or $1200 to upgrade an existing system.

That's a big donation when you consider that unless you are video editing or doing digital animation, or compiling huge applications, you really don't need that much computer.

Now the cheapest Bigadv are actually single i7 setups:

Run a i7-950 at 4ghz for about $750.

And there are AMD Opteron options out there that are cheaper than Intel to boot. The big daddy is running 4x 12-core Opterons. Xeons only run a max of 2 CPU's.

But why BigAdv? These machines can be made quiet, use little power, and the BigAdv client "detunes" excellent so you don't know F@H is even running. Plus you only manage 1 F@H instance instead of several.

I can't use the Graphic clients at work because they are loud, hot, and interfere with the machine operation in most cases. Also, I'm going to cut back the number of clients I run. I can't babysit 10 computers, nor am I willing to donate 3000w of electricity at commercial (higher) power rates. By using 1 bigadv machine at work to make my donation, I actually won't be using more power than before I started folding.
 

McRat

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The mobo + powersupply + case = ~$3400

Plug in four X7560's (that's 64 cores when you include hyperthreading) for another $16,000. ($4k each for the 8 core chips)...

So about $25,000 to get it running sweet.:rofl:
 

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You could buy 3 or 4 of these and put them in a rack for that.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.539643

I am still trying to get work to upgrade. It's been a slow process. They don't seem to think we need to update. They are putting a serious hitch in my folding plans.

:baby:

Pull <8 kW·h per day and have 48 actual cores. Our rate here is 0.076422 so $0.61/day. I can do that. May have to get one myself.
 

kman2468

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so i read through this whole thing..and didnt understand one word that was said :rofl:
 

McRat

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BADDA-BAM!!! CrayZ3 hit! Hopefully it will show over 100k points shortly under Wicked Witch for a single job.

How I overclocked it:

Since Xeon's are fixed-multipliers, you need to up the base clock speed and voltage.

I ran it at 22x multiplier (turbo on) with 180 base clock (3960 mhz) up from 2666mhz stock. I pushed the CPU voltage up to 1.312v to keep it stable.

I also set the DDR3-1333 ram to DDR800 speeds to avoid overspeeding the ram. I also bumped the ram voltage up to 1.65v.

Knock on wood, looks stable. That about 50% faster than chips advertised speed, it's only hitting 65°C max CPU core temps. Both CPU's read about the same.
 

Mike

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BADDA-BAM!!! CrayZ3 hit! Hopefully it will show over 100k points shortly under Wicked Witch for a single job.

How I overclocked it:

Since Xeon's are fixed-multipliers, you need to up the base clock speed and voltage.

I ran it at 22x multiplier (turbo on) with 180 base clock (3960 mhz) up from 2666mhz stock. I pushed the CPU voltage up to 1.312v to keep it stable.

I also set the DDR3-1333 ram to DDR800 speeds to avoid overspeeding the ram. I also bumped the ram voltage up to 1.65v.

Knock on wood, looks stable. That about 50% faster than chips advertised speed, it's only hitting 65°C max CPU core temps. Both CPU's read about the same.

I think I got my 12k points for the day. :baby:

I'm about to give up on my old server. It just can't make the ppd with the 2 quad cores at 2.3ghz. Tried the 2.8's but they are only slightly better and way more heat. Time for some gpu tests. Easy points :rofl:

I'm far from having the understanding you have Pat. How on earth are you getting those kind of points? Ghz alone along with GPU's :confused:

Fantastic work so far by everyone.
 

McRat

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... How on earth are you getting those kind of points? Ghz alone along with GPU's :confused:

...

The bigadv and SMP units have a huge bonus if returned fast.

bonus factor = sqrt(deadline_time * k / WU_time)

So in the case of a 2692 WU:

sqrt( 6 days * 26.4 "K factor" / 1 day) = sqrt of ~158? or 12.5

Take the real Points, 8955 and multiply it by the 12.5 bonus factor: 112,000 points in one day from a single 8955 point job.

The K Factor, Deadline, and Points are from http://fah-web.stanford.edu/psummary.html

So in other words, the bonus can be many times the "real" points.

So far, Bonus points are only for SMP and BigAdv. But they are thinking about adding them to other types of jobs.

The reasoning for doing this with BigAdv is that they cannot do huge proteins without either a real supercomputer, or clusters of high powered servers. These jobs have over 1,000,000 atoms in them, and can't be broken down. Lots of ram and processing power is required.
 

Mike

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Crzy is a pretty expensive machine with a lot of cores.

That settles it, I'll never get those kind of points. :rofl:

Thanks for a better understanding of the extra points. Most of my computers only finish WU's just-in-time before a big fat 0 is earned. smp that is. :spit:

So, smp is not worth as much as smp with -bigadv selected correct?

Well what I might mean is, with -advmethods selected, bigger jobs can be had if the folding apperatus is able to handle it. :confused: I think.
 
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McRat

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If you go:

fah6 -smp -bigadv

The first thing the F@H client program does is ask the O/S how many cores the machine has. If it is less than 8 cores reported, it loads a normal SMP job. 8+ loads a bigadv IF AVAILABLE. If there aren't any, it loads a normal SMP job.

Now, i7 chips with hyperthreading report twice the true cores. A i7 4-core will report 8 cores. An i7 4-core needs to run at least 3.6ghz to make deadline on the hardest unit, which is a WU 2684.

So the cheapest "legal" bigadv machine would be an i7 machine overclocked.

Now, some folk have fooled the O/S into reporting 8 cores for the AMD X6 six-core machines. When they run at 3.9ghz or higher, they make deadline, so this is actually the cheapest way to fold bigadv.

I haven't tried this yet, and it causes a big stink with the Old Guard at the FoldingForums. "It's against the RULES!!!".

So if you take that path, make sure you keep quiet about it on that forum.
 

McRat

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That's all they is and they ain't no mo'!:D

Running right now:

Home:

Playstation 3 old model
Playstation 3 slim
HP all-in-one running a Classic
HP all-in-one running a Classic
MacBookPro 13" running SMP
HP notebook running SMP + GPU
Tom's i7 game machine, SMP + GPU + GPU
Allison's homework machine GPU
CrayZ3 dual Xeon running BigAdv
Box-o-Parts AMD machine running SMP + GPU
Old HP biz computer running GT430 GPU

Work:

Dual Xeon Workstation bigadv
AMD X6 running SMP + GPU
AMD X4 running SMP
AMD X4 running SMP
AMD X3 running SMP + GPU
HP desktop running GPU

:eek:

But, I'm turning a lot of those off tomorrow. That's probably 3kw of electricity.

And it all started with a single Playstation ... Who says I'm obsessive??? :lildevil:
 

Mike

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Pat, in regards to avmethods, is there and easy way to tell if you have one running or not?

I had two processors bad, or not properly setup or who knows. I removed two of the opteron 2356's and have a better tpf with only two and 8 cores. Still not so good but

Starting 8 threads
Making 2D domain decomposition 4 x 2 x 1
starting mdrun 'VSD in POPC and water, neutralized'
174000000 steps, 870000.0 ps (continuing from step 172000000, 860000.0 ps).

NOTE: Turning on dynamic load balancing

[18:11:34] Completed 0 out of 2000000 steps (0%)
[18:22:43] Completed 20000 out of 2000000 steps (1%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
[18:33:50] Completed 40000 out of 2000000 steps (2%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
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[18:45:01] Completed 60000 out of 2000000 steps (3%)
[18:56:16] Completed 80000 out of 2000000 steps (4%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
[19:07:30] Completed 100000 out of 2000000 steps (5%)
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fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
[19:18:51] Completed 120000 out of 2000000 steps (6%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
[19:30:08] Completed 140000 out of 2000000 steps (7%)
[19:41:25] Completed 160000 out of 2000000 steps (8%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
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[19:52:43] Completed 180000 out of 2000000 steps (9%)
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[20:04:01] Completed 200000 out of 2000000 steps (10%)
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[20:15:18] Completed 220000 out of 2000000 steps (11%)
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[20:26:35] Completed 240000 out of 2000000 steps (12%)
[20:37:53] Completed 260000 out of 2000000 steps (13%)
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[20:49:14] Completed 280000 out of 2000000 steps (14%)
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[21:00:37] Completed 300000 out of 2000000 steps (15%)
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fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
[21:11:59] Completed 320000 out of 2000000 steps (16%)
[21:23:17] Completed 340000 out of 2000000 steps (17%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
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[21:34:34] Completed 360000 out of 2000000 steps (18%)
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[21:45:51] Completed 380000 out of 2000000 steps (19%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
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[21:57:08] Completed 400000 out of 2000000 steps (20%)
[22:08:25] Completed 420000 out of 2000000 steps (21%)
fixme:file:MoveFileWithProgressW MOVEFILE_WRITE_THROUGH unimplemented
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[22:19:44] Completed 440000 out of 2000000 steps (22%)
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[22:31:47] Completed 460000 out of 2000000 steps (23%)

This is a 6701

 

Kat

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DOH!!! Just tripped the circuit breaker. :mad:

I guess there IS such a thing as having too many computers running! :D

Esp. when it takes out the cable modem :villagers:

I can't be having FB withdraws:eek::rofl::spit: