Need Advice About What to do With a Employee

duramaxdiesel

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Hey guys. I need some serious advice about a touchy situation. You see, I started hauling RV's from Indiana to the Montreal, Canada area. I invested quite a bit of money in permits and in repairs/maintenance in my truck to do this. I went to all the reunions for the company and took notes along the way.

I did two loads to get a feel for the road and to see how the log books work. The first trip took me a looooong time because I was doing my best to try and figure out the log book. I ended up calling a friend who has a transport business and he more or less told me what to write and where to put my lines so that I would be legit if I ever got stopped by the DOT or inspection/scale.

So two loads in, I say to myself I should put another truck on ( I have 6 Dmax trucks because, well, I just like trucks lol ) I interview people and finally get a guy that has experience and didn't come off as a know it all. He takes great care of the truck and keeps it clean. Always there to give a helping hand. Example of this, while in Indiana to load his first trailer, he did everything on his own. He put moving blankets on the leather couch and chairs, made sure all doors were secure and didn't move. Took out the microwave glass plate and put it between two cushions. Torqued the lug nuts. The whole nine yards. I was impressed and happy that he knew what to do.

No here's my problem. This was his first trip with me. Everything was going smoothly until we stopped at exit 250 on the 401 for a break to let traffic die down in Toronto. I pull in the back to park. He pulls in directly behind me. No problem, there was enough room. The rig in front of me decides to leave. My driver sees that and decides to park in front of me because there was more room for him there. He pulls out but doesn't turn wide enough and the rear quarter panel of his RV ends up hitting the back corner of my RV. So now both brand new 2017 RV's are damaged. I didn't know whether to go ballistic and lose my shit or keep calm. Thankfully I kept it together and stayed as calm as I could. I called the company that contracts me and told them right away. In seven years they said they've never seen a company run into each other and sorta laughed. I wasn't laughing. They tell me to bring the RV's to their office instead of going to the customer so that they can look at the damage because pictures don't do it justice. Get there the next day and they send me to the guy that does repairs. He can do the repair of both RV's for $6000 billed to me. My deductible if I go through the insurance is $2500 each RV. So $5000 total and my rates will likely go up. But that's not my question to you guys. My question is, what do I do about my driver? At the office they asked me what I plan on doing with him. Do I want to risk him damaging another trailer? How much confidence do you have in him? I'm torn because he seems like a guy that knows what he's doing. I watched him maneuver around traffic and in the RV lots. He always took care and time to get out of the truck if he wasn't sure. Just that this time he screwed up. And on his first run with me to top it off. He felt really bad. The guy almost had tears in his eyes. All he kept saying was that he never had an accident before. Even driving OTR. He said that he would figure out a way to pay for it all. I'm not going to let him do that. My company, my responsibility.

What would you guys do? Would you give him a second chance and risk it? Or hire someone else? And that's a risk too. It's always a risk no matter what really. I'm all ears to what you guys have to say.

Thanks


Nick
 

cjb2283

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Tough decision there...I would say give him a second chance. BUT, reprimand him in some way, whether you doc his pay or whatever, that's up to you. He knows he screwed up but make sure he knows that you know and that you don't want it to happen again. Obviously you were there and saw it happen, so you know, but what I am getting at is if you just let it go without any repercussion, he might go on and still not be as careful as he could while driving for you. You need to make sure it sticks with him that way he stays safe. Also, I am sure you have other employees, make it known that he didn't just get off free.
I am in the Air Force and work on Multi-million dollar aircraft, when people/kids screw up we always make them know we know, we reprimand them (verbal counseling being the least punishment all the way to taking rank), we make sure everyone else knows what they did wrong so they don't go and make the same mistake.
I am all about second chances, I have seen too many good people get kicked out of the AF just because they made one stupid mistake.
 

c20elephant

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Call your insurance broker, more than likely the insurance company will no longer insure him as driver on your commercial policy, let the carrier swing the bat for you as you may have no choice to let him go.
 
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Burn Down

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Shit happens... If you don't trust people or expect accidents, you shouldn't have an employee. It's always a crap shoot with hiring people. You could can this guy and get one that does something even worse. If it were me and the guy seemed genuinely upset and sorry then I would most likely give him another chance.
 

malibu795

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Everyone makes a mistake.. The guy I'm leased on to has a 2500.00 escrow for damage loads claim.. .

Pending screw ups... Depends on punishment..
Me I'd have him pay back the deductibles. And if something happens again he's gone.

Granted he just got on with you so there is no real working relationship/history which is a negative against him.. insurance has a big say in it.. Same with the company your leased too.

I'd say have him pay back deductibles (his fault), and on probation next major slip up he's gone... Sounds like he has a promising future.. Everyone is human and end of the day you still have to protect you paycheck as well..
 

PureHybrid

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I agree that a replacement employee might be even worse. The first trip on a new job with the boss man watching, not surprised he'd be extra nervous. People make mistakes.

If you did the same thing, would you fire yourself?
 

CentolaCCSB

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I agree that a replacement employee might be even worse. The first trip on a new job with the boss man watching, not surprised he'd be extra nervous. People make mistakes.

If you did the same thing, would you fire yourself?

Well said
 

c20elephant

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You cannot arbitrarily force an employee to pay for a mistake here in the US and illegal, it is considered the cost of doing business or risk in profit. Your best option is to follow the carriers advice or speak with an attorney.


https://las-elc.org/factsheets/deductions.pdf



 
Your employer may discipline you regardless of whether your mistake was due to simple negligence, gross negligence, dishonest or willful conduct. But your employer may not make you pay for the loss out of your pocket unless it proves that you were you were dishonest, willful, or grossly negligent.
 
 

duramaxdiesel

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Hey, thanks for all the advice guys. It's appreciated!:hug: He is genuinely sorry and feels really bad. He knows he screwed up big time. Like some said here, what's worse, the devil you know ( sorta ) or the devil you don't?

We talked and he knows that there can't be a next time or I have to let him go no matter what. No claim has been made yet but I've talked to the insurance and he's waiting to see what the owner of the RV's wants to do. I can have them fixed here where I am or he can decide to have me bring them to him and his dealership repair them.

Jesse, I completely understand you. I'd be nervous too. But what I wouldn't do is try and show off by cutting it close to objects. Not saying that's what he did though. And no, if I were in his place, I wouldn't fire myself.

Adam, I figured you would chime in since you do hotshot. Do you have any employees driving for you?

Before this whole ordeal, I hired another guy that's been doing RV transport for 3 years now for someone else. He was tired of having his truck break down every week and apparently his boss was slow on paying. He's supposed to start this week. Hopefully I can get the truck insured before a claim is/if made. Talk about timing..


Nick
 

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People make mistakes. I don't think the amount the damages cost has anything do to with it. If you believe he's genuinely conscientious and this was just a once in and million bad luck sorta of situation, then why would you fire him? What's to stop the replacement you hire from having a bigger accident. At the end of the day accidents do happen, sometimes even when people are doing the best they possibly can. Now on the other hand if your insurance drops him or you don't believe he is really what you described above, then by all means let him go.
 

malibu795

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Nick I'm my own show..
And honestly for the $$ I do to this truck.. What it cost to run, pay the driver decent wage..
Imo it wouldn't be worth the hassle for me to deal with another truck and driver..

Knowing the major OTR big truck carriers are paying 45-50k out of school for noobie drivers.. Plus bennies.. I honestly wouldn't run company driver as a hotshot.
 

Dozerboy

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Let him pay for it. He offered. Just cut him a good deal $50 a week or something he can reasonably afford. Maybe after a few months of things going like they should tell him to forget about paying you back he's doing a good job.

Honesty I dont think you will have the choice to keep him. Insurance will make you can him. Do you have a drug policy? Did he get drug tested after the wreck?
 

custom8726

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Shit happens... If you don't trust people or expect accidents, you shouldn't have an employee. It's always a crap shoot with hiring people. You could can this guy and get one that does something even worse. If it were me and the guy seemed genuinely upset and sorry then I would most likely give him another chance.

I agree that a replacement employee might be even worse. The first trip on a new job with the boss man watching, not surprised he'd be extra nervous. People make mistakes.

If you did the same thing, would you fire yourself?

Agreed ^

I hire and fire a decent amount of guys every year and its never easy to let someone go. That said, I have had guys in the past that would always show up on time and would literally give a stranger the shirt off there back, but just constantly screwed up and/or cost me money and theres no room for that in business IMO, no matter how nice or genuine of a guy they maybe.. If my employees can't show up on time with a professional attitude and respect my equipment and our clients they don't have a job with me very long. But,,,, If I fired everyone who damaged or wrecked something of mine I wouldn't have any employees at all lol, Sometimes shit simply happens, people make mistakes, were all human but if it happens on a continuous basis you have to cut your losses and roll the dice the replacement will be more qualified..

Good luck! ;):)
 

duramaxdiesel

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I hear you on that Adam. It really is a gamble. With one truck it's hard to make good money. We are about 30 guys with pickups and most run two trucks with 53' trailers to get almost double the money since they're bringing back two smaller RV's on each truck. I don't have the money just yet to buy a trailer. But I do have six trucks now with only two of them that have a small amount owed on them.

If a claim is made, I'll see what the insurance tells me to do. $6000 out of my pocket is ALOT of money for me now. It wouldn't be so bad if I had about four trips in and paid for. Sure, an accident is never good, but at least I'd have a few more dollars in the bank to not have to worry about cash flow. I'm sure I'll figure something out. I always do.

And thanks again guys for the advice:hug:


Nick
 

Burn Down

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No way I would run it through insurance if the Deductible is 5K and total damage was only 6K... I wouldn't even give them the opportunity to bone me by raising my rates.
 

Hot COCOAL

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If you can handle.it...Run with him as a team, as probation, and cut his pay accordingly...if you're paying by the mile and running efficiently, you both will still make money and you can watch him in the cab over time...nothing will stick in his mind more than this and nothing will let you see who you've hired, better than spending time in the cab with them
 

N2BRK

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First - the insurance advice you received doesn't sound right. Unless I read it wrong, your vehicle was parked and your employee operated vehicle caused 100% of the damage. So...why would you have a deductible twice? Your insurance covers the accident via Collision on the vehicle causing the accident and via Liability to fix the vehicle he damaged. There's almost always a deductible on a collision loss, but never ever ever ever on a liability loss. Think about it as though your guy whacked an unrelated vehicle - that "other guy" would never accept a settlement involving a deductible!

That said - if he doesn't seem like an accident prone klutz, and you feel as strongly as you seem to about him being an excellent employee... then keep him on! Give his good work a chance to make you money! Otherwise if you cut and run, he can never make you any money.

Good luck!