N2O nozzle pre or post IC?

NWTDIESEL

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youll find that having nitrous in a liquid form is only good untill it reaches the Heat of the intake charge,( the power of nitrous is caused from the separation of one element to another element that produces cold oxygen) accually putting in liquid nitrous into the combustion chamber would cause negative effects, such as a thermal shock load on the entier combustion chamber, and the freezing of the water thats in the oxygen, which will also incres as boost increases(PSI)

This is another reason i dont inject large quanities so close to the engine, but Pre IC instead.

Nitrous by itself cannot hurt a piston, but the advanced timming of fuel and nitrous could ignight TOO early and cause a burn before TDC to some degree, on cast pistons and inferiour designs could be the coulpret completly, along with the H.P. fuel stabing the piston as it heats up to creat combustion.....

I belive that it will not be an issue with a true forged piston, similar to what most of Drag racing uses now such as Arias, vinola,wiesco.....
Coating the piston IS a better way to help reduce th chances of melting the piston. My pistons for my d-max are hard anodized, and then ceramic coated to ensure less thermal heat absorbtion and increasing HP potential up to 10%

I have 215k on my dmax and have had nitrous on it before i hit 50k. So far no problems......knock on wood. All i do is throw a low timing tune in and shes good to go. I have ran a .125 jet all the way down to a .046 which is what i have n now for the street.
 

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Typically the first stage is the most potent and powerfull.

Depends on the truck. If you have a huge charger and stock cp3 then yes, you can hit with a bigger shot off the bottom to burn the fuel before your turbo spools but no so much nitrous (if any) on the top end because there will be no fuel to burn from the large charger burning the fuel. If you have a stock charger and modded cp with lots of fuel then you need a smaller shot to get you out of the hole (not to big so you dont spin) then you can hit it with a even bigger shot to burn the fuel your lil turbo cant. Progressive controller...........
 
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Depends on the truck. If you have a huge charger and stock cp3 then yes, you can hit with a bigger shot off the bottom to burn the fuel before your turbo spools but no so much nitrous (if any) on the top end because there will be no fuel to burn from the large charger burning the fuel. If you have a stock charger and modded cp with lots of fuel then you need a smaller shot to get you out of the hole (not to big so you dont spin) then you can hit it with a even bigger shot to burn the fuel your lil turbo cant. Progressive controller...........

It was a general statment that has hard data behind it....

With a base line of 11.90
first stage with get you 11.3ET +6 tenths .060 jet
first and second will get you 11.00ET + 3 tenths over the first stage 0.60 jet

Big charger and modded cp3....
 
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Our setup for Colorado was a "staging" jet of .040" ish, to assist the 10,000' DA staging, then a .070" jet once the boost climbed up. Both sprayed pre turbo, post MAF. Turbo compressor was not hurt.
 

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One big shot worked best for me on a progressive controller with my stock charger. My opinion is 2 stages is a big waste due to the stock charger becoming the resriction.
 

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"Two stage" is kinda misleading for the Ghetto Master setup Michael and I did at Bandimere. The first "stage" was hooked to the horn relay. You stalled the truck up in pre-stage, and it wouldn't go past 1800rpm. So you "punch" the horn quickly, and VOILA! now it's at 2100, and you can spool and stage easily without nitrous. Then the truck launches, and when it hit 30PSI of boost, the .070" jet came on.

We tried to "punch" the horn with .070" jet in the pits and KABOOM!!! Scared the crap out of us. So we had to figure out how to run both a very small jet and a bigger jet with just a few parts lying around. The truck arrived in CO with no nitrous hooked up.
 

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"Two stage" is kinda misleading for the Ghetto Master setup Michael and I did at Bandimere. The first "stage" was hooked to the horn relay. You stalled the truck up in pre-stage, and it wouldn't go past 1800rpm. So you "punch" the horn quickly, and VOILA! now it's at 2100, and you can spool and stage easily without nitrous. Then the truck launches, and when it hit 30PSI of boost, the .070" jet came on.

We tried to "punch" the horn with .070" jet in the pits and KABOOM!!! Scared the crap out of us. So we had to figure out how to run both a very small jet and a bigger jet with just a few parts lying around. The truck arrived in CO with no nitrous hooked up.

:rofl::rofl:Done that before!:eek:
 

super diesel

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"Two stage" is kinda misleading for the Ghetto Master setup Michael and I did at Bandimere.

That just sounds so ugly (but true).

Wade (DP). I want to hear more about the nitrous (or nitrogen as you said) turning to oxygen (not an oxidizer). Sounds like the morph of a butterfly but real rapid like. Please, let us know.
 
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That just sounds so ugly (but true).

Wade (DP). I want to hear more about the nitrous (or nitrogen as you said) turning to oxygen (not an oxidizer). Sounds like the morph of a butterfly but real rapid like. Please, let us know.

Heck, you did great, we won! :hug:

Spit, bailing wire and duct-tape, in 100° temps with no shade, got-er-dun!
 

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Here's some thoughts:

Chargers work on pressure ratios. In denser/colder air, they can pump more air lb per lb than they can in hotter/thinner air. This means cooling the air pre-turbo will increase potential power.

If you are at 45psi boost, and 900lb bottle pressure, 5% less nitrous comes out of the jet when sprayed post turbo. So dyno numbers from identical shots will read higher pre-turbo.

Pre-intercooler will spend a lot of the "cold" effect you're looking for cooling down the intercooler instead of the air. Letting the intercooler do it's "job" first, then cooling it again with nitrous will yield the coldest charge.

So, based on just those factors, either pre-turbo, or post intercooler are going to be best.
 

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Other than pure laziness, that's why I wanted the jets before the turbo at Bandimere, because we were using the nitrous to counteract the effects of altitude on the turbo.
 

super diesel

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It was a good choice. What I mean is, we need some one to do it preturbo and post I/C too.

I've been thinkin about the spray bar for a few days now Pat. Maybe in front of the I/C for the speed run for when the EGTs get big and questionable? Is this possible or a thing they (the techs) don't allow at speed week? I'm not sure how much this will cool down the EGTs if at all. It will make the charge more dense in the I/C I'm sure. You may be needing two 20 lbs bottles to do it though over enough distance. May not be an option though.
 
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I will leave my thoughts out of this. But I will say pill it until you kill it! Then back her down .001!!!:rofl::baby::joker:
 

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It was a good choice. What I mean is, we need some one to do it preturbo and post I/C too.

I've been thinkin about the spray bar for a few days now Pat. Maybe in front of the I/C for the speed run for when the EGTs get big and questionable? Is this possible or a thing they (the techs) don't allow at speed week? I'm not sure how much this will cool down the EGTs if at all. It will make the charge more dense in the I/C I'm sure. You may be needing two 20 lbs bottles to do it though over enough distance. May not be an option though.

I'm not allowed to run nitrous at Bonneville.

What about C02 for the spray bar?