monotherm steel pistons

Andrew

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NEED INFO hope this is in the right place but I plan on using the monotherm pistons by mahle its goingto be a high horse puller/dd that's why I feel that there best suited for my purpose but has anyone heard when there actually getting released to the market ive read thru tons of posts and cant find any new info on them any input would be greatly appreciated thanks everyone :)
 

S Phinney

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As of now they were talking October but it keeps getting pushed back. Who really knows?

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Hot COCOAL

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They have been pushing back the release date for 2years:mad:

It's hard to believe they don't have it figured out yet.
Can't say I blame them though. Think about how much this sport is picking up, how many more sets of cast and forged pistons are flying out the door every month, now think about how they are probably just now starting to make some good profits off each sale, now that all the equipment and R&D for the diesel pistons is paid for(presumably) now consider bringing in a product that's 2x the cost, all the way around, to produce, to purchase, etc...while at the same time making all the other options available, in a way, obsolete. Not saying that is the real world truth, but a possibility, and on paper, to a corporate bean counter watching and calculating all the company beans, the prospect of loosing sales to monotherms looks like a reality.

I would hold out for the monotherms if they were on the market. Would you?

I know everybody says they are too damned expensive and they wouldn't consider it, but I bet, if and when It comes down to it, when the steelies hit the market there will be a big initial wave of purchases, then the waiting game of waiting for public/community feedback (while MAHLE has considerably less sales) then there will be a small percentage of guys that will pick up a set, then there's the guy that has to have them cuz his buddy has them, then there is the crowd that doesn't want to skimp on their build, so they wait another year, next thing ya know, the aluminum pistons and all the equipment needed to make them won't be making money anymore and MAHLE will be getting way less profits trying to recoup from setting up for the monotherms manufacture. For MAHLE, releasing the monotherms looks like a risk, rather than an investment/benefit.

And because of that, I don't see these pistons ever coming to market for mass production sales

That's just my 2
 

Andrew

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im willing to wait a few month for it just cause I feel cast is to risky an forged isn't worth the rebuild every couple yrs cause I drive well drove this truck a lot to all the events around here but as I seen awhile ago the release just keeps going further an further its a shame :confused:
 

Andrew

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They have been pushing back the release date for 2years:mad:

It's hard to believe they don't have it figured out yet.
Can't say I blame them though. Think about how much this sport is picking up, how many more sets of cast and forged pistons are flying out the door every month, now think about how they are probably just now starting to make some good profits off each sale, now that all the equipment and R&D for the diesel pistons is paid for(presumably) now consider bringing in a product that's 2x the cost, all the way around, to produce, to purchase, etc...while at the same time making all the other options available, in a way, obsolete. Not saying that is the real world truth, but a possibility, and on paper, to a corporate bean counter watching and calculating all the company beans, the prospect of loosing sales to monotherms looks like a reality.

I would hold out for the monotherms if they were on the market. Would you?

I know everybody says they are too damned expensive and they wouldn't consider it, but I bet, if and when It comes down to it, when the steelies hit the market there will be a big initial wave of purchases, then the waiting game of waiting for public/community feedback (while MAHLE has considerably less sales) then there will be a small percentage of guys that will pick up a set, then there's the guy that has to have them cuz his buddy has them, then there is the crowd that doesn't want to skimp on their build, so they wait another year, next thing ya know, the aluminum pistons and all the equipment needed to make them won't be making money anymore and MAHLE will be getting way less profits trying to recoup from setting up for the monotherms manufacture. For MAHLE, releasing the monotherms looks like a risk, rather than an investment/benefit.

And because of that, I don't see these pistons ever coming to market for mass production sales

That's just my 2


I agree with this completely an if there reliable as they say then that's a very strong probability that they wipe out all there other sales but I also think that a lot of guys would still opt for other just do to the astronomical price... an I agree with the mass market will probably never happen do to the expense to manufacture an not many ppl would be willing to spend the dime for them over conventional cast/forged
 

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They have been pushing back the release date for 2years:mad:

It's hard to believe they don't have it figured out yet.
Can't say I blame them though. Think about how much this sport is picking up, how many more sets of cast and forged pistons are flying out the door every month, now think about how they are probably just now starting to make some good profits off each sale, now that all the equipment and R&D for the diesel pistons is paid for(presumably) now consider bringing in a product that's 2x the cost, all the way around, to produce, to purchase, etc...while at the same time making all the other options available, in a way, obsolete. Not saying that is the real world truth, but a possibility, and on paper, to a corporate bean counter watching and calculating all the company beans, the prospect of loosing sales to monotherms looks like a reality.

I would hold out for the monotherms if they were on the market. Would you?

I know everybody says they are too damned expensive and they wouldn't consider it, but I bet, if and when It comes down to it, when the steelies hit the market there will be a big initial wave of purchases, then the waiting game of waiting for public/community feedback (while MAHLE has considerably less sales) then there will be a small percentage of guys that will pick up a set, then there's the guy that has to have them cuz his buddy has them, then there is the crowd that doesn't want to skimp on their build, so they wait another year, next thing ya know, the aluminum pistons and all the equipment needed to make them won't be making money anymore and MAHLE will be getting way less profits trying to recoup from setting up for the monotherms manufacture. For MAHLE, releasing the monotherms looks like a risk, rather than an investment/benefit.

And because of that, I don't see these pistons ever coming to market for mass production sales

That's just my 2

So much of what you say is - I'll be kind about this - wrong. Nothing revolutionary about monotherms, they've been around for a long time. Over the road big rigs all have them.

Mahle has it "figured out", but there's more to bringing a product to market than just having it "figured out." You want to learn about this stuff actually talk to the people at Mahle. I spoke with Eric two days ago, he told me the monotherms would be at least 8 mos. away from availabilty if they had feedback. But Mahle hasn't received any feedback yet on those 5 sets out there. The design isn't finalized, there are no forging dies, those pistons are machined prototypes.

They're "just now starting to make some good profits....." ?? Mahle's a huge company, sells pistons all over the world. They've been making DMax pistons for a long time, don't ever doubt that they've been making profit off them for years.

Bean counters worried about "losing sales to steel pistons....."? WTF. You babble on and on with speculation. Learn to be quiet when you've no clue about what you're talking.
 

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So much of what you say is - I'll be kind about this - wrong. Nothing revolutionary about monotherms, they've been around for a long time. Over the road big rigs all have them.

Mahle has it "figured out", but there's more to bringing a product to market than just having it "figured out." You want to learn about this stuff actually talk to the people at Mahle. I spoke with Eric two days ago, he told me the monotherms would be at least 8 mos. away from availabilty if they had feedback. But Mahle hasn't received any feedback yet on those 5 sets out there. The design isn't finalized, there are no forging dies, those pistons are machined prototypes.

They're "just now starting to make some good profits....." ?? Mahle's a huge company, sells pistons all over the world. They've been making DMax pistons for a long time, don't ever doubt that they've been making profit off them for years.

Bean counters worried about "losing sales to steel pistons....."? WTF. You babble on and on with speculation. Learn to be quiet when you've no clue about what you're talking.

1) yes big rigs, construction equipment, tractors, you name it, they all have or at one point have had steel monotherms....

2)I said, it would be hard to believe they didn't have it figured out, meaning I believe they do, thank you for confirming that with me

3)yeah, sure, another eight months, ok, and you really believe they have no data from the test slugs......

4)it costs millions to set this stuff up, I would be surprised if they were making pure profit off each set of duramax cast and forged pistons they sell right now, even though they have been selling thousands of sets a year for many years

5)owners and boards of big companies hire "bean counters" to run the company, teams of accountants run these multi billion dollar companies, don't fool yourself. Just because MAHLE sells all sorts of pistons around the world, don't kid yourself, they take losses, and all those other pistons are are not making money for the development costs of the duramax piston, or to bolster sales for another dept.

6) if you think a compony like MAHLE hasn't calculated in the loss of sales of current product available, due to the release of a new product, you need to take a business class or two. MAHLE will push back the product release date as far back as necessary to optimize the dollar amount they have in the black, and right now they are making better and better profits by the day, selling what they already are set up for. Again, setting up for monotherms for the d-max will cost money, take profit from an existing department, and they will be back to square one of profit term management, meaning it will be several years again before they see the profit margin they want on the new product. That's business.

If you don't like what I'm saying that's your problem. I'm making no hard claims to knowing anything about MAHLE, but I do know enough about business, risk management and product manufacturing to know that there's a whole lot more to it than what your buddy knows and is telling you...:rolleyes:
 

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Andrew

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hot cocoal an utahski both have good point buy no means am I picking a side hell im the new guy here but they will loose sales on there other pistons due to the monotherm release an im sure there is a lot of issues holding back there release ie the feedback from the guinea pigs but im not gunna argue business issues cause idk nothing about them just agree you would think a business as big as mahle would have it on the market instead of pushing it back yrs an yrs specially when its not a new concept just a new application