Maximum Allowable ET for heads up classes

[Subman]

I would have to agree with Rob about not many fast trucks in the midwest. There are a few in Iowa but most are set up for pulling. Be neat to have a king of the street challenge. Has to be a dot approved truck and tires and current on registration. Drive x amount of miles to a track, can't pop the hood for anything but can switch tires, and make 3 runs hot lapping and the fastest average wins. Is there anywhere that does this for diesels?

That sounds like a hoot. I have said many times that we'd run anyone best two out of three hot lapping not shutting off the engines and drive around under your own power, (no tow rigs). Love to get some of those 12 valve hot rods in on something like that.

 

[Noreaster]

Be neat to have a king of the street challenge. Has to be a dot approved truck and tires and current on registration. Drive x amount of miles to a track, can't pop the hood for anything but can switch tires, and make 3 runs hot lapping and the fastest average wins. Is there anywhere that does this for diesels?

Sounds NMCA true street rules http://www.nmcadigital.com/rules/docs/2010/final/2010_TS.pdf

True Street
Class Description
True Street is a racing class for mildly modified to heavy modified high performance
street vehicles that are street certified and able to drive over a 30-mile distance. All model
years and engine types and power adders permitted. Class is designed for stock-chassis or
back-half type vehicles running true 10.5-inch wide tires. Vehicles must be registered,
licensed, and insured. There will be trophies and awards for not only the “King of True
Street” (quickest average), and runner up but also for the following: Closest averaged ET
that is not quicker than the following- 9.00, 10.00, 11.00, 12.00, 13.00, 14.00, and 15.00.
True Street racing will be conducted at a number of NMCA drag racing events to be
specified. NMCA True Street does not have a points system. NMCA True Street is not
eligible for contingency.

Qualifying Information, Ladder Type, & Tree
All Run, NMCA True Street Format, .400 Pro Tree, Heads-Up.

STREET EQUIPMENT
In order to compete, all vehicles and/or drivers are required the following:
1.Valid driver’s license
2.Valid vehicle registration
3.Valid license plate(s). Dealer/Temp plates prohibited. Paper license tag will be accepted
on a new model year car with current registration paper work less than 60 days old from
current event date.
4.Valid insurance “ID” card. Faxes and/or letters from insurance companies and/or
brokers not acceptable.
5.Valid state inspection sticker (if required by state vehicle is registered).
6.D.O.T. Radials or D.O.T. Slicks on front and rear of vehicle.
7.Hood is required, may be made of lightweight material. Hood scoops permitted.
Hood/scoop may be liftoff, must cover the entire engine & induction system.
8. OEM safety glass windows required & must be functional. Lexan prohibited.
During the tech-in process, vehicle must have operational street equipment, including
headlights, taillights, brake lights, turn signals, and horn.

 

[ripmf666]

That sounds like a hoot. I have said many times that we'd run anyone best two out of three hot lapping not shutting off the engines and drive around under your own power, (no tow rigs). Love to get some of those 12 valve hot rods in on something like that.

Ken this is how I race my truck for shit and giggles I make a pass grab my ticket up to lane stage make a pass ticket lanes make a pass. Greg aka Dockboy watched me and another dmax make around 25 to 30 pass in less then 4 hrs

 

[J Spruill]

80% of the Dodges would never make it then.

so does this mean more chevys and fords would, i doubt it. if truck count is low i can understand letting slower trucks compete in a class to make a show. often times even though you may get to sand bag a slower opponent you still take off wfo to get the lead and ease out. still a big chance of breakage on that launch. i really dont see the need of a truck in prostreet that isnt fast enough to need a bar or cage but it wont keep me from racing if one pulls up beside me. heck i can hardly run fast enough to need a bar much less a cage this 2wd thing has me struggling,but its getting there...

 

[SteveFord]

Sounds NMCA true street rules http://www.nmcadigital.com/rules/docs/2010/final/2010_TS.pdf

Basically where the idea came from. I had some friends that competed in this back in the day with their mustangs. I think it would be fun with our trucks to have that kind of challenge.

 

[S Phinney]

There aren't many fast trucks in the south either and there aren't many races in the region also. anything that promotes the sport and gets more races, racers and fans to the track is a good thing. I would support prostreet trucks needing to be fast enough for bars and SS being a true DD. Love to see people going rounds. Everything being said there needs to some changes to make the sport better and grow.

 

[Subman]

not very many real prostreet trucks in the west, not many in the mid west and not many in the south where the hell are they, sure as hell not the northeast. Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana, Alabama, Ohio are states that have some for sure. The more I think about the 10.5 index class the more I like it. Classes would be top diesel, prostock, prostreet, 10.5 index and sportman brackets.

I think the current NHRDA classes specs are ther best of the three organizations, but the superstreet class will have a couple of very fast trucks that if they show at the race and don't break should easily win. The 10.5 index class to replace the superstreet class would level the playing field greatly. IMO:thumb:

 

[unfinished business]

not very many real prostreet trucks in the west, not many in the mid west and not many in the south where the hell are they, sure as hell not the northeast. Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana, Alabama, Ohio are states that have some for sure. The more I think about the 10.5 index class the more I like it. Classes would be top diesel, prostock, prostreet, 10.5 index and sportman brackets.

I think the current NHRDA classes specs are ther best of the three organizations, but the superstreet class will have a couple of very fast trucks that if they show at the race and don't break should easily win. The 10.5 index class to replace the superstreet class would level the playing field greatly. IMO:thumb:

So where would the low 12/high 11 sec truck run? Brackets?? Just wondering...

 

[unfinished business]

IIRC alot of guys boycotted cause they wanted to run heads up no index thats what started the outlaw races. You run a 9 sec truck in the 10.5 by de-tuning & hitting the brakes. The east coast 12.0 races are mostly won by 11 sec trucks getting out in front & braking in the traps.
just a thought, anybody remember the old DHRA weight rules back in 05-06
Think it was
6000lbs min weight for a 4x4 single turbo, 5500 for 2wd
6500lbs for nitrous or second turbo(no nitrous & twins) 6000 for 2wd

I do not race a lot of diesel 12.0 classes since nadm only has one event close to me. Most events I do race in (gas and diesel...well me being the only diesel) the cars are dialed in to run 12.0 on the number...there is very little braking at the end of the track. Usually the sand baggers make it a round tops unless they line up against someone who is sleeping on the tree.

I know at the diesel races this is not the case...

Paul

 

[unfinished business]

The rules will never be perfect. That being said, the above does nothing. I could add the A/C back in my race truck I suppose. Can't run it at the track and it just adds clutter. The other stuff you mentioned is already there, but doesn't make it a street truck. Same can be said for many others.

Also who's to say what is a street truck? I could drive mine around town I guess. So what? How many NHRA gas street cars race heads up? Not many.

Like Subman's "DD SS race truck".... my ass it's a DD. :angel:

I would not say it does nothing, but I will agree it does very little. The more you add to the "list" the more of a pain it will be for a race truck and street truck to exist in the same class. Things like full interior including passenger and rear seat will make it difficult for trucks with cages. A 30 mile street drive will limit some people with their tire choice...and the list goes on. The bigger problem is most of the events are not staffed to conduct a street cruise nor do we have the number of trucks to warrant it.

How much does your truck weigh? Just wondering?

Paul

 

[dieselson]

So where would the low 12/high 11 sec truck run? Brackets?? Just wondering...

Exactly what I was thinking...

 

[unfinished business]

Yea, it would be nice to have a class where you do not need a built engine...other than brackets.

Not saying a 12 or 11 second truck will not need one in the future, but it is not mandatory at this level...

 

[Subman]

Jerry's truck weighs just a shade over 6K. As far as the low 12 and high 11 sec trucks they could run the 10.5 or brackets. That what they have now with no index so I don't see much difference except there would be anything faster then 10.5. There is not enough trucks with the classes we have, hardly any Prostreet trucks and some trucks that should and would run SS don't if there is a low 10 or 9 sec truck in the field. There will be 9 sec trucks that run SS, the current rules are not that difficult to satisfy for a 6K prostreet truck to run SS.

 

[tractor]

So if the faster trucks cant fill the fields now why are all the proposed classes trying to be built around them.I would bet that if there was a 13 index class this sport would grow faster.

 

[J Spruill]

we need more trucks in all the classes from brackets to the dragsters. classes seemed to be built as you say around the faster trucks as they in my area are not only the main thing people want to see but they will usually travel long distances for the race. that being said we still need the bracket/index trucks to make the events .
the deal is everyone always seems to want a class tailor made for thier truck,it wont ever happen.pick a class and go for it. as far as those pusses who have a truck that would compete well in a headsup class but dont because of a much faster truck in the class,grow a set, more times that not attrittion takes the fastest one out during th race.

 

[Stingpuller]

Nice

Tell us how you really fill Jess!!LOL :rofl: If others had your attiude racing would be a whole lot more fun for them. Jeff