Interesting results with banks six gun and iq 2.0

[Skyhigh4by]

There are lots of dealers in canada (especially Alberta) that sell aftermarket tuning, mods, ect...

I bought my 05 used from a dealer back in 06 and it came with a predator tuner and was 4" straight piped.

 

[MadMaxx61]

AB is a different kind of place. When I ordered my 08 they were trying to get me to buy a 07 that had a 12" lift and 40"s on it. New gearing and tuned. It was 100% only had 120 km on it ( that is 120 not 120,000 ) it also came with 100% factory warranty.

 

[Big Block 88]

Im going to have to do some checking with my nephew and his fiance at GM Powertrain about this "GM tuning". Sounds sort of "yeah, right" to me.

I also do not believe for one second that a dealer is allowed to remove GM emissions equipment, even "on the side". There are big government fines and penalties if they get caught.

This all sounds like, "yall know furd ownses cummings don't yah? my cuzins brothers half sisters nephews dad ordered one new from the factory dat way 500 horse and 1200 lb ft stock"

Don't believe it for it a second, if this dealer is in fact doing such things I would imagine GM would love to know about it so they can drop them....

This isn't like current day berger chevy or yenko or even mr norm they are not altering the emissions equipment because well.... Its illegal to do so, perhaps this gm dealer is selling and servicing these trucks with off road use only on them???

 

[henery97]

Back in '04 our local GM dealer put a Superchip in my dads LLY about 2 weeks after he bought it. They kept the tuner at the dealership and set it on the lowest level (25hp) We got the tuner back when it went out of warranty at 100k.

 

[Uncle Jesse]

GM would be insane to drop Stetson Motors, or any dealer that's in an oil town for that matter, Alberta alone counts for a huge majority of GM Canada's pick up sales. Seriously, they'd be biting the hand that feeds them! You can doubt me all you want, but money talks, and Alberta has lots of it circulating that's for sure. Not every dealership is going to, but ones in places like Drayton Valley, Edson, Hinton, Whitecourt, Grande Cache, Grand Prairie, Fort Mcmurray, Rocky Mountain House, Nisku, Leduc, most likely will, and that's just a few of the big oil towns.


Keep 'er 'tween the ditches

 

[Hot COCOAL]

Yeah, ok
I guess it's possible that up there your dealers "might" be able to get away with removing emissions equipment, but I don't think the equipment is "only" for US vehicles, I'm pretty sure the CARB regulations reach out over the entire North American continent (which includes Canadia, eh)

Let's consider for a moment how little a dealer makes on a new vehicle, let's also consider how little time it takes to remove an EGR system and install an exhaust...

Hmmm, you don't have to be a baller to make it happen...and as the service provider your not making enough to make the risk of ANY penalties worth while..

I don't know about up north, but like I and others here in the good ol US of A have said, a stateside dealership would be STUPID to partake in such shenanigans. Screw the ramifications from GM, that would pale in comparison to the heavy hand of the federal government...

And really man?
"GM would be insane to drop one of the dealerships in Bla Bla Bla town"
:rofl:
I know this sounds arrogant but seriously...
GM is a GLOBAL company bro! That operates on nearly (if not every) continent

Loosing single dealership in canada wouldn't be a huge hardship...I'm sure loosing an established and productive dealer isn't something they "want to do" but none of the upper management would be loosing sleep over it

Yeah, it's laughably doubtful GM would notice loosing/dropping any of the dealerships in your Podunk little towns, again, and especially, if it meant the difference between penalties from a federal regulatory entity or dropping the questionable dealer, they'd either fire EVERYONE at the dealership involved in any way with the service department and management or just drop the dealer altogether. Whatever it took to potentially alleviate any fines that might be possible
If the market WERE all that great they might even just build another and start all over with a clean name and slate...

But like you said, you don't have greenie tree huggers in California setting regulations

And BTW
I'm pretty sure there's a heater in the urea/blue DEF tank, there's sensors that regulate the temperature and it's tied into the GPCM circuit somehow...I think DEF fluid freezes at something like 12*F and there's cold weather DEF available that I think is flow capable at something like -20*F, which is what, like -34*C?

 

[Uncle Jesse]

But it's still divided by country, and in this country, it's making it's money from our little "Podunk" towns. The only reason GM would have to investigate a dealership over this is over warranty, if fines from the federal government were a concern then other shops would be liable also for selling delete kits and/or doing the work. As far as I know, there are no penalties from the government for removing emissions equipment in Alberta.

Anyways, there are dealerships doing it here and if you don't want to believe that then whatever, it's pretty pointless arguing about.

If anyone wants me to ask Joel about his tunes (the GM tune as I called it) then let me know and I will ask. Any comments about this dealership removing emissions can't be true crap will be ignored, if the vehicle is off warranty GM don't give a shit about it, if it's still on warranty then that's where the issue is going to lie, and that's between the dealer and GM.


Keep 'er 'tween the ditches

 

[MadMaxx61]

And BTW
I'm pretty sure there's a heater in the urea/blue DEF tank, there's sensors that regulate the temperature and it's tied into the GPCM circuit somehow...I think DEF fluid freezes at something like 12*F and there's cold weather DEF available that I think is flow capable at something like -20*F, which is what, like -34*C?

When I was in Edmonton we saw -45C a lot and -40 is -40 for C and F it cold shit don't work.

 

[DMAXchris]

Slower in 4hi...yeah that seems really accurate. :roflmao:

 

[Uncle Jesse]

I know, lol. That's why I found them interesting haha


Keep 'er 'tween the ditches

 

[56taskforce]

I am interested in the IQ-2. I like the fact that it uses Windows as an operating system, makes me think that it could be used to control EFI Live power levels and I like all the other functions it has as well. I do have one question though. Will it run injector balance tests?
I e-mailed Banks with questions about both EFI-Live control and balance testing but I don't think they liked the question about EFI Live as I have never received a response. I have to add that they have always been quick to respond to all my other product questions.

 

[Akers]

I am interested in the IQ-2. I like the fact that it uses Windows as an operating system, makes me think that it could be used to control EFI Live power levels and I like all the other functions it has as well. I do have one question though. Will it run injector balance tests?
I e-mailed Banks with questions about both EFI-Live control and balance testing but I don't think they liked the question about EFI Live as I have never received a response. I have to add that they have always been quick to respond to all my other product questions.

I don't think it does balance rates.

 

[Big Block 88]

But it's still divided by country, and in this country, it's making it's money from our little "Podunk" towns. The only reason GM would have to investigate a dealership over this is over warranty, if fines from the federal government were a concern then other shops would be liable also for selling delete kits and/or doing the work. As far as I know, there are no penalties from the government for removing emissions equipment in Alberta.

Anyways, there are dealerships doing it here and if you don't want to believe that then whatever, it's pretty pointless arguing about.

If anyone wants me to ask Joel about his tunes (the GM tune as I called it) then let me know and I will ask. Any comments about this dealership removing emissions can't be true crap will be ignored, if the vehicle is off warranty GM don't give a shit about it, if it's still on warranty then that's where the issue is going to lie, and that's between the dealer and GM.


Keep 'er 'tween the ditches

not true if you look at all the vendors here on the emission delete systems they will say for off road use only. That takes away their liability, now it falls on the owner if caught on the street that way. I was not aware you were talking about used trucks out of warranty if that is the case then I can believe it.

 

[Hot COCOAL]

dealerships around here do a lot, lift kits, rims and tires, exhaust systems, custom bumpers etc. you can pick out a brand new bone stock truck and have them deck out it all out right there before you drive it off the lot. I know that they also do egr, dpf and urea deletes too, and most honour your warranty if they do it.


Keep 'er 'tween the ditches

GM would be insane to drop Stetson Motors, or any dealer that's in an oil town for that matter, Alberta alone counts for a huge majority of GM Canada's pick up sales. Seriously, they'd be biting the hand that feeds them! You can doubt me all you want, but money talks, and Alberta has lots of it circulating that's for sure. Not every dealership is going to, but ones in places like Drayton Valley, Edson, Hinton, Whitecourt, Grande Cache, Grand Prairie, Fort Mcmurray, Rocky Mountain House, Nisku, Leduc, most likely will, and that's just a few of the big oil towns.


Keep 'er 'tween the ditches

But it's still divided by country, and in this country, it's making it's money from our little "Podunk" towns. The only reason GM would have to investigate a dealership over this is over warranty, if fines from the federal government were a concern then other shops would be liable also for selling delete kits and/or doing the work

... As far as I know, there are no penalties from the government for removing emissions equipment in Alberta


Keep 'er 'tween the ditches

not true if you look at all the vendors here on the emission delete systems they will say for off road use only. That takes away their liability, now it falls on the owner if caught on the street that way. I was not aware you were talking about used trucks out of warranty if that is the case then I can believe it.

First he claimed that this dealer was doing it on brand new rigs and honoring the warranty too


Jessie-
Really I could care less about what you're "claiming" about these dealers in Canada.
It's the gall that you're saying "money talks" in these "oil town" where there's "lots of it circulating" and then what bothers me is that you're also "claiming" that there is no federal ramifications for doing such things in Canada...
???
Well, then don't cross the border...yeah right

Really man? Hmmm, well can you buy dyed fuel and run it in the highway, what about standard diesel fuels, aren't they of "ULSD" designation?

I'm pretty sure that all countries working within trade (import/export) rules are working under the "clean air act"
I could be wrong, and that's ok with me, prove it and I'll humbly eat crow.
But claiming that it's totally ok without knowing is totally dangerous, that's some serious misinformation to be spreading.

And GM WOULD care if on a federal level they had hearty fines levied against them due to the actions of one dealership, it wouldn't be a warranty issue cuz the warranty issue would be handled at the dealership level, especially if that dealer in any way altered the emissions system. It would be a regulatory issue at a federal level from the vehicle owner being somehow caught either on the road or at an emissions check. All it would take is the owner saying "the dealership sold me this new truck like this" and GM would be involved like stink on shit

 

[Hot COCOAL]

And your "buddy" flashing these "100 hp GM tunes" isn't a vendor, you're technically not supposed to be actively advocating for him in threads...3 out of 5 of your posts you're telling people to contact you for tuning
:hug:

Keep it real
And please let the vendors who contribute reap the benefits they deserve

 

[TheBac]

Canada/USA comparisons arent really valid. You guys can get away with things that we cant, due to Big Brother. Alberta is also sort of like the Old West, where anything goes.

To what I said before, I asked my nephew his opinion:

Do GM dealers have the capability to tune Duramax trucks? Does GM actually offer upgraded tuning (more hp, mileage) thru dealers? Also, whats GM stance on dealers removing emissions systems for customers? Ive never heard of something like that before.

and this was the response he sent me:

Not to my knowledge. I know they can flash a standard CAL and i believe they offer a PMAX CAL, which increases power on a LML to 520hp I believe, but they do no tuning. They just flash the CAL into the ECU. No, the dealer cannot legally remove emission systems without replacing it. Technically if someone brings a vehicle that requires emissions to a dealer that doesn't have any, the dealer is not supposed to let it leave.

My opinion was gleaned from years past when cat converters were first put on cars. For a while, you could just remove them. Then the Govt put their foot down and required the emissions stay put. Garages couldnt remove the parts, and couldnt work on cars without the parts intact. Same thing should apply with a Duramax emissions equipment.

 

[NC-smokinlmm]

520 LML flash???

What the hell???

 

[TheBac]

Thats what my nephew said. He worked on the engine you're driving around, and IIRC his fiance was one of the tuners, so between the two of them, they'd probably know.
Would be pretty cool if a dealer can do that.

 

[Big Block 88]

^^^^ gonna check on that tomorrow:woott:

 

[Uncle Jesse]

First he claimed that this dealer was doing it on brand new rigs and honoring the warranty too


Jessie-
Really I could care less about what you're "claiming" about these dealers in Canada.
It's the gall that you're saying "money talks" in these "oil town" where there's "lots of it circulating" and then what bothers me is that you're also "claiming" that there is no federal ramifications for doing such things in Canada...
???
Well, then don't cross the border...yeah right

Really man? Hmmm, well can you buy dyed fuel and run it in the highway, what about standard diesel fuels, aren't they of "ULSD" designation?

I'm pretty sure that all countries working within trade (import/export) rules are working under the "clean air act"
I could be wrong, and that's ok with me, prove it and I'll humbly eat crow.
But claiming that it's totally ok without knowing is totally dangerous, that's some serious misinformation to be spreading.

And GM WOULD care if on a federal level they had hearty fines levied against them due to the actions of one dealership, it wouldn't be a warranty issue cuz the warranty issue would be handled at the dealership level, especially if that dealer in any way altered the emissions system. It would be a regulatory issue at a federal level from the vehicle owner being somehow caught either on the road or at an emissions check. All it would take is the owner saying "the dealership sold me this new truck like this" and GM would be involved like stink on shit

I am not advertising for him or telling people to contact me for tuning. I was asked what a 100 HP GM was, I explained what I knew about it, I also stated I didn't know a whole lot but if someone wanted to know more about what it was I would ask him more simply for informations sake. He is not my "buddy", all I know is his first name and where he works.

You are right, I am not versed in the laws regarding emissions equipment on diesel trucks in Canada, I highly doubt you are either. I do know the "off road" label is a way to work around it. One person commented saying a dealership tried selling him a lifted truck tuned and with full warranty, also the dealership removed my brothers egr, so whether they are supposed to or not is beyond my knowledge, but there are dealerships out here doing it and if it were as taboo as you say it is I doubt they would risk it, but I could be wrong.

Where have I ever stated that I knew 100% that there are no ramifications? I said as far as I know there aren't any IN ALBERTA. Federal law can only go so far, there is a point where provincial laws take over. Again, I am not claiming to know any of this 100%, but Canada is not the US, and it's laws, political, economical and financial structure is completely different and I'm pretty sure unfamiliar to you. You are the one who argued my (and others) experience with dealerships here, if you think I'm wrong prove it yourself, I never meant to start an argument nor am I trying show off my "gall", if it irks you that's your problem. I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear before, but all I've been trying to say is hey, it's different here, there are dealerships doing this. If you really wanted to know if there were any legalities about it you could have simply asked instead of coming at me with pitch forks putting me down because you don't think it is legal or that GM would allow it. Again, I'm not trying to be an arrogant ass blowing off. If you want me to find out the legalities surrounding dealerships tuning and removing emissions from trucks I will and will post them when I do.


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