it seems like alot of people get away with running extrude hone injectors with nothing else donei guess its just luck of the draw
Something! that's what pisses me off bout it
im done with this sh#$
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Something! that's what pisses me off bout it
Care to retract that statement? Ask anyone who knows I wouldn't **** anyone over on selling it, it would get a fresh set of STOCK! injectors not modded ones kinda pisses me off you would just assume yes I didn't spell it out in my comment but I shouldn't have to I could sell this truck to some local kids it would be in good working order or to anyone for that matter.
If the mods want to close this be my guest it's going to get outta hand I feel
Exactly I've been doing the exact same thing! Also I'm sending my one injector with 45% nozzle to exergy have them look it over an see what they think it's problem is
That's how you have been attempting to fix it per your posts by replacing them one by one. That's why I'd assume you were going to do the same.
Main reason why my truck is parked. Im tired of throwing money at it, and I can't afford for a motor build right now, so it's either sell it and take a loss and move onto somthing new, or park it, stop insurance and tags, and let it sit till I figure out what im gunna do. Going on 3 months so far, man, I like driving a gasser thats easy to park :rofl:
Well like I said I didn't spell it out I didn't need to I was pissed off at such shitty luck I know a Guy with a lly that's stock that eats them just as bad as I do no answers for him either so guess shit just happens
Ya no shit I gave up asking on a few other things so think I'm done asking on forums for the most part
I gave you your answer, and all I did was read your post which said you were either gonna sell the piece or put new injectors in it. Cant be pissed that you misspoke. Like I said how many people here have put together CR injectors? I explained why you cant just keep putting injectors one at a time with an extrude honed tip in and expect it to work. Why give up on asking when you get your answer?
It's not that it's the wrong answer, it's the jabs like "so you,re gonna half ass it and unload it on some poor soul"....that was uncalled for and you know it. Come on man, don't be ignorant, maybe make a suggestion instead of a snide remark like that.
By the way, just to make you feel better, I have extrude hone nozzles on used injectors all working fine. Saved myself a thousand dollars, and have no problems. More money thrown at the problem to have someone else do the work isn't the answer.
Your answer was swapping nozzles can't be done so why do people buy nozzles then? I'd be all for a totally flowmatched set but 2000+ dollars for the best way doesn't seem to answer it for me, an my injector that failed is going to get tested see what failed an why so I know. Stock Injector's from Bosch shouldn't be that far off these injectors o get are reman from Bosch not IIs remans there what II likes to sell as "new" Injectors?? So how is it that I fix number 7 an my balance rates look good again? I'm talking to some people bout having all my injectors tested an matched now but it'll be down the road I never had a problem till I had around 18k on my rebuild so the injectors from GM have bout 110 k I just looked up last time it had a full set done just could be there time to go I guess
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I just read his post you can read it yourself and see what you get from it. I don't know Jake but the way he stated was sell or fix. Im not ignorant, and yes some people may have good results with extrude honed on stock injectors but thats starting with a set of injectors all coming from the same place flowed at the same rate, and lucked out on a good extrude hone job that left the orifices all close to the same size. I just offered advice based on my experience building CR injectors. Most people don't have that knowledge and I think its funny people want to argue about it because they've put some extrude honed nozzles on before that have worked fine. Its not to say it cant work, but taking injectors out one by one, buying remans, etc and putting nozzles on is definately not going to get the same flow. You want to make sure that you buy the same batch of remans from a company because these reman companies will even change their outputs, VOP's, idle/min/max/backflow rates based on failure analysis. Just trying to help explain your problem to you and you refuse the answer. I have not suggested you buy IIs injectors either. A balance rate reflects a change the ECM is making to having the injectors give you a good quality idle it does not reflect all aspects of an injector. So if you understand balance rates you can understand that putting a brand new injector that falls within spec can skew your balance rates due to say your older injectors now have a lower VOP so they tend to flow more at idle. Your ECM is then going to attempt to put all of these injectors close to one another as far as idle flow. This results in a mechanical difference between injectors and if you have changed 5 out of 8 over a period of time you are going to have a bunch of different injectors opening at different pressures thus f&*king your balance rates. Swapping nozzles can be done but if you happen to get a batch of injectors with one being on the top end of spec and one being on the bottom end of spec a 45% nozzle is going to exaggerate all aspects of flow exponentially and actually widen the gap of cc/min that those two injectors flow at.
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So he shoulda said he would be dissapointed to see him sell a broken truck to somebody who was assuming everything was kosher? Stuff like that ruins your reputation, fix it right and sell it right or tell the person whats up.
Lets look at this another way.
You want to rebuild your engine but you say its too much money for all of the parts so you dont buy the headgaskets or new bolts and reuse the old stuff, then your headgasket leaks a month later and you are complaining.
Thats they way I see this. if you cannot afford to do it properly you shouldnt do it, but if you choose to do it, dont get your panties in a bunch when it doesnt work.
so nozzles shouldnt be done thats all you guys are getting at? hmm ok i guess i shoulda said either ill get 45% over set that are flow matched or just put 8 stock injectors in an sell it. Happy now you guys?
Now as for jordans statment i never said your wrong but getting 8 totally flowed out an matched injectors and when i said im going with extrude nozzles nobody jumped in an said thats half assed your dumb blah blah. I started out with 8 injectors all from gm, the nozzles are/were matched to all flow 45% more call jim an talk to him. Started losing them after like 18k miles after the rebuild (which cause used lbz rods im dumb right?) an keep losing them but guess its my fualt i didnt spend the extra 1200+ bucks to get something from exergy or whoever did i take your advice right there? your snide ass remark is what pissed me off. I dont doubt injectors flow different with miles vs no miles so that means the older one fail faster? whatever i guess i will know better then to even ask bout nozzles here apperntly there a waste of money
so nozzles shouldnt be done thats all you guys are getting at? hmm ok i guess i shoulda said either ill get 45% over set that are flow matched or just put 8 stock injectors in an sell it. Happy now you guys?
Now as for jordans statment i never said your wrong but getting 8 totally flowed out an matched injectors and when i said im going with extrude nozzles nobody jumped in an said thats half assed your dumb blah blah. I started out with 8 injectors all from gm, the nozzles are/were matched to all flow 45% more call jim an talk to him. Started losing them after like 18k miles after the rebuild (which cause used lbz rods im dumb right?) an keep losing them but guess its my fualt i didnt spend the extra 1200+ bucks to get something from exergy or whoever did i take your advice right there? your snide ass remark is what pissed me off. I dont doubt injectors flow different with miles vs no miles so that means the older one fail faster? whatever i guess i will know better then to even ask bout nozzles here apperntly there a waste of money
I don't really know what you are trying to articulate. I tried to help you because I know more about CR injection than you do. I have provided you with more info than anybody else. You can pretend that you're not getting answers all you want.
Let me get this straight....
- You had 8 brand new bosch inj. from GM installed (under warranty if I understand)
- Then you did the engine rebuild with LBZ rods and at that time, had the 8 nozzles from the 8 new(ish) GM/Bosch inj sent to EH and opened up.
- Things were fine for 15K miles then you lost an inj.
- Bought a reman from II and put the nozzle in it from the defunct GM/Bosch injector.
- repeat the last two steps a couple times now?
I'm not aiming to speak for Jordan but I believe what he's trying to inform you of is that the problem comes from putting those extruded nozzles that from the GM injectors in your new/replacement reman injectors. It's not as simple as just swapping nozzles hap-hazardly from inj. body to inj. body. That's where some of the things Jordan is talking about comes into play. They need to be matched sets. Or at the least, each replacement inj. should have been sent to extrude hone to have IT'S nozzle extruded rather than put the extruded nozzle from the bad inj. unmatched in the replacement inj.
Obviously you know the best option but like a lot of things, there's a "Good", "Better" and a "Best" option to going about things. You haven't necessarily done wrong, just haven't done the best choices. Reasoning doesn't really matter, the choice was made and that's fine.
If I'm outta line, I apologize. Just trying to clarify what I'm getting from the conversation as I don't see the need for ill feelings and such. It's bad enough time to continue to have to tear into your truck, muchless have to try and bicker about nuances when all you really need is a new plan of attack, a lil support and perhaps some better guidance or at least more knowledge to help you better pick what you wanna do.
There's been plenty of good info. passed out so you should be able to move forward now.
Good luck and sorry you're luck hasn't been so great.
- You had 8 brand new bosch inj. from GM installed (under warranty if I understand)
- Then you did the engine rebuild with LBZ rods and at that time, had the 8 nozzles from the 8 new(ish) GM/Bosch inj sent to EH and opened up.
- Things were fine for 15K miles then you lost an inj.
- Bought a reman from II and put the nozzle in it from the defunct GM/Bosch injector.
- repeat the last two steps a couple times now?
I'm not aiming to speak for Jordan but I believe what he's trying to inform you of is that the problem comes from putting those extruded nozzles that from the GM injectors in your new/replacement reman injectors. It's not as simple as just swapping nozzles hap-hazardly from inj. body to inj. body. That's where some of the things Jordan is talking about comes into play. They need to be matched sets. Or at the least, each replacement inj. should have been sent to extrude hone to have IT'S nozzle extruded rather than put the extruded nozzle from the bad inj. unmatched in the replacement inj.
Obviously you know the best option but like a lot of things, there's a "Good", "Better" and a "Best" option to going about things. You haven't necessarily done wrong, just haven't done the best choices. Reasoning doesn't really matter, the choice was made and that's fine.
If I'm outta line, I apologize. Just trying to clarify what I'm getting from the conversation as I don't see the need for ill feelings and such. It's bad enough time to continue to have to tear into your truck, muchless have to try and bicker about nuances when all you really need is a new plan of attack, a lil support and perhaps some better guidance or at least more knowledge to help you better pick what you wanna do.
There's been plenty of good info. passed out so you should be able to move forward now.
Good luck and sorry you're luck hasn't been so great.
no your not outta line this is how it should have been said i sent the last two new injectors an a old nozzle an had him flow the the two new ones to match my first and orginal set this last go around for that reason you and jordan said bout going from body to body not that i've had bad luck with doing it on the new injectors i've put in just the old ones keep faling faster was my qeustion i dont feel i got my answer but im stubborn or to literal. i chose the good choice cause i couldnt afford to do the best option so just like my lbz rods so. hopefully my luck turns around but i do know one thing i can do swaps in bout 2 hours a side now :rofl: bout have a zipper on the truck!
an thanks for to all for what they have said bout nozzles/injectors not trying to create hard feelings shit happens and its said an done who cares
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